Minutus

This made me belly laugh.......

Michele.

on 10/24/04 4:02 AM, Simon King at sk2004@ntlworld.com wrote:
Or vitamin C, 1,000-2,000 mg at a time--I heard that was effective when one
needed to come down fast! But maybe not relevant to this guy's situation...

Isn't the issue of Cannabis' delusions similar to that of Argentum
nitricum's anxieties? You can get sidetracked into figuring out what each
one "means", but need to instead realize, the main point is that there are
*a lot of them*! Could be "most anything"!
Shannon

on 10/24/04 5:00 AM, J Lucas at j.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

I heard that was for LSD
know loads of people who tried it, made no difference- except they
didn't get colds:-)
regards
Simon King

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I can relate to this. I once and only once took LSD, thinking it would be
fun! As the hallucinations started I panicked and it was one of the worst
experiences I have ever had. So were these my demons coming out or those of
the drug? This sort of query is at the core of my interest in the 'drug'
remedies.

Re: the wood roses - aren't these a kind of mistletoe?

Best wishes, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 25/10/04 12:58 am, Julian Winston at jwinston@actrix.gen.nz wrote:

At 11:25 AM +0100 10/24/04, J Lucas wrote:
A good question.
Some of it is just pure curiosity and experimentation. Just like a proving.
Another is the sense that "that won't happen to me."

I know that, with the stronger hallucinogens, I never took them
without someone being nearby who understood the process and could
talk to me.
Timothy Leary's book "The Psychedelic Experience" (which was based on
the Tibetan Book of the Dead) was an invaluable resource for me.
With the exception of some strange experiments (like with the
Hawaiian wood-roses) I always went into a "trip" with a plan for what
I wanted to get out of it-- and I shared that with my "guides".
They were all very positive experiences. Then again, I ALWAYS did
such things outdoors in a natural environment.

JW
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I kind of disagree with this. I think the impulses and anxieties of Argentum
are quite specific in much the same way as Arsenicum for example, or any
other rx come to that. We might have to tweak the 'reading' of them to a
certain degree as often the client will not speak in this kind of direct
manner (half the reason why case taking can be so difficult). But overall I
think we have to take the 'states' at some kind of face value and they can
be as specific as a type of pain. If we get too general about them we can be
making a rod for our own back - delusion tin case filled with stair rods is
a leg )

Yes there are a lot of delusions with Cann-i and I wasn't suggesting that we
have to know what each and every one means but just to 'group' them together
and discover relevant and useful themes.

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com

Hm, interesting!
I wonder why the difference...
And come to think of it, none of my cronies of that time ever seemed to
bother *trying* to come down from pot , so I suppose I mis-remembered.
But I wonder why that difference???
on 10/24/04 9:59 AM, Simon King at sk2004@ntlworld.com wrote:

Re: the wood roses - aren't these a kind of mistletoe?

Hawaiian wood rose (Merremia tuberosa), from a yellow-flowered climbing
vine in the Morning Glory Family.

At 5:10 PM +0100 10/24/04, J Lucas wrote:

Well... once you are involved in homeopathy, the whole LSD thing
changes in an interesting way. The *dosage* of LSD needed is in
micrograms. I once calculated it to be about a 3X (although I might
be mistaken). So there isn't enough "stuff" in the stuff to do you
any physical damage. It is only a trigger.
I would say that the "demons" are yours.
My early experiences with LSD were somewhat "pale" because of the
nature of what one purchased on the street. I was told I was getting
300 micrograms. As I subsequently found out, it was probably closer
to 25-30. And THEN I experienced the "real thing" with 300 micrograms
from Sandoz. It was absolutely scary. I called my brother for help,
and he came and sat with me.
Subsequently, I took more of the same, and found it quite
enlightening. So it wasn't the DRUG itself, but my idiosyncratic
reaction to it. The effects were sudden and I had no way of
processing them. By my second time, I knew a bit more what to expect
(in feel but not detail) and it was not a bad experience at all.
Again, I stress, that these drugs (as Hoffman found out and as native
peoples knew) are very powerful ways of letting one see beyond
everyday experience. The use of them should be done in a controlled
setting where support is available.
Personally, I found the hallucinations interesting, but the REAL
interesting part was the "re-intergration" of the experience with
what we consider "normal"lives. How do you take all that information
and make it useful?
I subsequently met younger people who were after the "high" but NOT
the re-intergration. When the "up" wore off, they took other drugs to
bring them down, instead of looking at the whole spectrum as an
experience.
I must say, that without a LSD trip I took (all alone out in the
woods) I would not be where I am now. It had a profound effect on
what I chose to do with my life. I never took any after that one.
Just looked it up. There are TWO varieties:
Baby Hawaiian Wood Roses (Argyreia nervosa) and Regular Hawaiian Wood
Roses (Ipomoea tuberosa). Both have seeds that contain lysergic acid
amides. The seeds also contain "non-active alkaloids" that are
similar to those found in Morning Glory seeds, and these alkaloids
can cause considerable discomfort (nausea, vomiting). I believe that
the baby Hawaiian seeds contain strychnine in the coating of the
seed, and that should be cleaned off before ingestion.
In the 1970, these plants were embargoed by the US in an effort to
keep them from being used for the illicit drugs. I know when I bought
mine in 1966 I got them at a flower shop in NYC.

What else?

JW

Was it the drug or was it me????

This question I don't think is so easy to answer.
My experience and knowledge of LSD is quite extensive I think:-) , not
just for myself but I also spent a lot of time around people
'tripping' under the influence of LSD in case anyone doesn't know the
term). I personally took it once or twice a week for several years and
subsequently used that experience working at a centre called PIN
(People in need) where there were many having problems from LSD either
acutely or chronically. There were a lot of LSD casualties in those
days.

Anyway one of the things that was clear was that the TYPE of LSD made a
big difference to the experience. It still wasn't the same for everyone
though, but I remember for example that 'black microdot' had me seeing
blue lights on top of every car for months after, and others reported
increased levels of paranoia with it ( as if LSD didn't make you
paranoid enough already!) Another, 'pink microdot' I think , gave a
much higher proportion of people the 'horrors'. Experienced it myself
on that stuff. A sensation of complete and UTTER horror. (Being an
aquarian though I observed it dispassionately, but it was hard work!)

Everyone who knows anything about LSD knows the reputation of
'strawberry fields' and 'californian sunshine' and 'pure sandoz'; these
productions of LSD were renowned for their smooth rides & "Windowpane '
was known for being really strong..

Remembering that LSD is produced from a an alkoloid of a fungus we
could compare its effects in some respects to other plant poisons.

We know that Aconite, Belladonna etc, will produced specific mental
experiences and so will various mushrooms ( already discussed). So
should we say the 'demons' arising from any of these poisonings are
from the drug or from the person? My experience from mushrooms for
example suggests to me that certain experiences may be common to to the
drug rather than specific to the person, or type of person.

I had a friend who read everything , and I mean everything on LSD and
was convinced as were many scientists and prestigious writers on the
subject that it could be used therapeutically for emotional and
psychological disorders. He took it as a scientific experiment ( his
expression) and worked on himself in this vein tirelessly over several
years.. (He was a highly respectable looking type BTW, had a job nice
house and car, and looked after his family - not long haired or 'hippy'
in any way) He never made any progress which was a source of endless
frustration to him, and he was someone who was into facing his demons
head on! So he felt conversley that the demons were his and the drug
was there to help exorcise them.

Therefore I suggest that the experience cannot be wholly categorised
into either a drug effect or the revealing of personal demons, it
could be one or the other, or a combination of the two. As always, it
is a case of individualisation. The drug effect will vary from person
to person depending on their susceptabilities, and the presence of
personal demons may or may not be either resolved or exacerbated by the
the LSD - the effect will be different for each drug preparation and
dependent on the quantity taken and the time it is taken.

It sounds to me Joy that it was just as likely the only demon that was
behind your experience was fear, pure and simple, or perhaps of loss of
control, rather than of demons as in 'my personal demons' sense . I
have seen this before but with a good guide this might have easily
been overcome. Have you ever seen cheech and chong films? In one there
is a great example of how quickly a horrific drug experience can
change to a good one by the power of suggestion, and it is well known
that people under the influence of LSD are highly suggestible. Having
said that if one knows that one does have personal demons and their
revelation was impending from the LSD then that's a possibility too.

Either way no sweeping judgements can be made IMO as to whether a
bad drug experience is the result of personal demons or not without
knowing the whole 'case' ( now where have I heard that before?)

regards
Simon King

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