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At 5:10 PM +0000 3/5/04, Julian Winston wrote:
Damn that Dunham! He stole my time machine! No wonder I couldn't find it!
Back to the Future!!

JW

At 8:28 PM +1300 3/5/04, Dr.J Rozencwajg wrote:

Yes. What you are describing is the difference between finding a
similar and finding THE simillimum.
One can only work to the best of their ability.
But as Jeremy Sherr pointed out, if you KNOW there is a larger
picture, using the smaller one is almost criminal. So an allopath who
only knows of corticosteroids to treat skin problems is not at
fault-- he doesn't know better. But if he knows that it is
suppressive and another non-suppressive treatment is available, then
there IS fault.

So you can only do as well as you can-- keeping the ideal in mind,
and always working TOWARD that ideal.
That is, assuming that someone would be interested in looking for the
single simillimum. The problem is that if a complex is given first,
then understanding the reaction to it becomes overly complex... was
any curative? Was any suppressive? Which piece? With a single remedy,
the analysis of the followup is (in theory) easier.
Lots of the old guys often zig-zagged to a cure-- mostly in chronic
cases. Until Kent, most had no concept of "constitutional" treatment.
The patient came in, presented their symptoms, and they scoured the
Materia Medica for the simillimum. They worked hard, and they really
knew the Materia Medica in a way that, I think, few today know it.

They set a good example for future homeopaths to follow.
And, IMO, using combinations *as the first line of homeopathic
treatment* is sloppy in the extreme.

JW

Hi Dr. R,

Would I be right in summarizing your points as, if "plain homeopathy" isn't
showing you a solution at a certain point, you are happy enough to draw on
other tools (including homotoxicology) until the needed single remedy
becomes apparent? That's a decision that many of us make, using whatever
back-up tools we have available. (And some of us won't combine any other
tools, I know.)

Since you are familiar with the actions of your back-up methods, they don't
confuse your homeopathic casetaking. (PS I am not lecturing *you*, but hope
I'm correctly using your post to try yet again to make points for Anna) In
my case I use herbs and nutrition (and sometimes etc.) as my backup, and am
similarly un-confused, because I understand the effects of those and have no
trouble separating their effects from effects of a remedy.

This, I think, is the key: if one knows homeopathy well (enough) and also
knows the back-up therapy well (enough), there will be no confusion. Which
is yet another reason for keeping separate practices separate, to be mixed
and matched *if* the practitioner chooses, and *if and as* the practitioner
gains solid enough training to do so *without confusion*.

Best wishes,
Shannon
on 3/5/04 1:28 AM, Dr.J Rozencwajg at jroz@ihug.co.nz wrote:

on 3/5/04 5:09 PM, Julian Winston at jwinston@actrix.gen.nz wrote:
Yet another reason for emphasizing that Homotoxicology is *not* homeopathy;
the whole thing is done on different bases. While I think it would be
reasonable (and very interesting!!!!) to compare long-term *outcomes* of the
two systems -- boy would I love to see that done! -- it would be entirely
inappropriate to make comparisons in procedure and patient reaction along
the way -- they're different! (Er, or so my comparatively limited exposure
seems to vigorously suggest.) A Homotoxicologist is not a "sloppy
homeopath", but simply a different thing.

Shannon

Dear Mr Winston,
Why can't you stay calm? This is the kind of response people give when their
logic begins to break down. It's called fearful aggression, and I have been
told privately that this is what you often do "when room to wiggle gets
tight".
I am wondering, with this kind of hysterical attitude, whether you are a
therapist? It has not taken very long for you to lose control of yourself
and get personal. I have heard that you are renowned as a homeopathy
scholar. I am beginning to get an idea of the kind of academic environment
that allows such people to rise to prominence when they cannot even maintain
a civil and rational debate.

Warmly, (or coldly, whichever you prefer)
Anna

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Dear Mr Winston,
I quote from Hahnemann again:

"The cure of an old Psora... can never be accomplished with Sulphur alone."

"The Psora that has developed into one of the innumerable chronic diseases
springing from it is very seldom cured by any single antipsoric remedy, but
requires the use of several of these remedies- in the worst cases the use of
quite a number of them one after the other for its perfect cure... it is
therefore not strange that one single and only medicine is insufficient to
heal the entire psora and all its forms, and that it requires several
medicines in order to respond, by the artifical morbid effects peculiar to
each and to the innumerable host of psora symptoms... and to do this in a
curative homeopathic manner."

Perhaps Hahnemann is prattling on here, but perhaps you could explain how
this fits with your above statement "how can there be more than one thing
similar?"

Warmly as ever,
Anna

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Anna,
ENOUGH already
Sheri

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Anna writes:
I am calm. You should see me when I'm not. Very simply, you seem to
have come with your mind made up, you make statements, then seem to
not listen to the answers (I really haven't seen you reply to
anything Shannon has said), and when presented with information that
contradicts your viewpoint, you dismiss it.
You make a statement that Hahnemann was teaching double remedies in
secret to his pupils while presenting the single remedy to the
public. This contradicts everything that has been written. I ask,
DIRECTLY, where you get that information, and you do not respond.
So talking to you is a one way street and NOT a dialog.
I have seen other on this list who come on to it with an agenda--
usually one about combinations, or other theraputic modalities, and
when we, on the list, point out that this is a list for "classical"
they get all bent and start complaining.
You fit in that category.
I am not a therapist. And it has taken me a LONG time to get
personal. I have been measured and calm, offering historical backup
to all the stuff you have stated. You did not listen to it, nor did
you answer questions from others. You are a one subject, and one way
street. And it is wasting my time.
I have tried to be rational, and you have prevented it.
I give historical backup (at a great expense in time), and you don't listen.
I am tired of wasting my time, going to my archives, looking up
stuff, typing them in, and then have no replies.
Irrationality is a two way street.

JW

on 6/3/04 4:25 pm, Julian Winston at jwinston@actrix.gen.nz wrote:
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