Re: Gastritis
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2003 3:50 pm
Hi Albert,
Thanks for the thoughtful reply!
But in the case of those few strongly allergic patients I've been involved
with (all friends-and-family family, very small sample size!), *none* were
involved with allopathic drugs. (Yep, I come from an unusual family.)
- One is a child who became severely allergic to one food after
another, starting at about one year (his problem was finally solved by
Carc).
- Another has been highly allergic to many foods since childhood, is
now 80, with *many* health-related problems but did not have any allopathic
drugs whatever until thyroid meds starting age 75.
- Another (now 14) has anaphylactic response to one food, apparently
brain changes from another (-> mania, plus boils), but also has had no
allopathic drugs whatever -- no vaccinations, no antibiotics, not even
aspirin.
- The fourth has had milder but very troublesome allergies to many
foods as well as food additives, from childhood, tho this cause of (some of
her) problems was not diagnosed until adulthood.
- Then there's me, again no allopathic stuff, but various fairly severe
food allergies since childhood (also not diagnosed until adulthood).
on 9/20/03 12:44 AM, Albert at hahnemannian444@yahoo.com wrote:
cases under
???? Do you mean that every allergic patient you've treated has a history
of drugging? You must be working in a somewhat provincial area if you don't
have *any* patients of a background similar to mine... Mine is somewhat
unusual here in the US, but certainly not unique. (Are you in the US or ?)
And I gather you're saying that as treatment progresses you always
eventually come back to return of an old symptom that had been suppressed?
Just FWIW, in the examples above, 3 are my mom, myself and my daughter. My
mom was raised by a "rabid Christian Scientist type" (different church,
similar mindset) and was given no drugging whatever. My mother raised her
children the same way, as I have raised mine. But still there is this
weakness and strong allergic tendency. I think the answer here is "miasms",
not something we can blame on drugging. It's handy to blame everything on
the allopaths, but in fact chronic disease came on the picture long before
allopathy did.
How would you approach a case like this, in which drugging simply has not
been a factor?
And of course it's the nature of chronic disease to increase, even if there
is no treatment whatever.
Allopaths of course do not
Well, I guess that was one of my points -- I didn't think we had enough
information to conclude that these folks' diets were *poor*, only that they
were not agreeing with them. But if digestion is weak (and/or one is
responding allergically to some of the usually benign foods) then a meal
that would be great for most people, will cause problems for the patient.
That's why I'd wondered whether these problems are common in "most" people
eating that diet, and wondered just what the diet is.
I take your point, but same is said about my own wheat allergy or my
daughter's milk allergy. (Granted we're not in *perfect* health in absence
of these allergens.) Yet these are considered healthful foods to most folks
-- and yeah, I know there's debate about that, but most people don't have
the extreme problems from them that we do (or others who are "allergic" or
otherwise intolerant). Which is why I view it as "our" problem rather than
*primarily* a problem of diet. (But yes, we avoid those foods.)
Recognizing and extracting the truly characterizing symptoms isn't always a
piece of cake... Since I don't know just what your past exposure has been
(to homeopaths, I mean), I'm not entirely sure what you're reacting to. In
discussions on this list, I'd certainly have thought we were looking for and
emphasizing characterizing features...
Okay, this is not to "put you to the test", as a half-dozen other well
trained (and "classical") homeopaths have not so far done much with it, but
what would you make of this (and I've left unfinished a conversation with
Joy while I groped for an answer to her questions): When my daughter was a
toddler, her response to milk (even to a *tiny* dose BTW, and *never* given
by us!!!!) was to become agitated and angry, then have several "night
terrors" (a ghastly experience, BTW!) during sleep, then the next day be
emotionally back to her normal, but with one or two large boils. To me this
seems awfully unusual and distinctive, but I have never figured out how to
use it. Her reaction now (age 14) is much less intense -- takes much more
exposure and does not get as strong, but same general idea; when she drinks
"too much" milk (e.g. cup or two a day for a couple of weeks?), her
temperament gradually turns from sweet (except to her brother!) to nonstop
vile and nasty. (And I realize that's not a full description, not
characterizing.)
Heavy metal toxicity seems very plausible for any of these folks, but with
one except there's been no obvious source (other than growing up in
cities!).
I completely agree! And the fact that it *does* work so beautifully tells
us that there is more to life than chemistry, LOL!
"Many" I could agree with; "all" seems IMO to be plainly untrue.
In today's drug-happy age drugs are both a frequent cause *and* a very
convenient all-purpose scapegoat! it becomes harder to appreciate that
drugs aren't the root of *all* evil, but for some of us, explanations such
as "miasms" or ??? will have to take up the slack instead...
Have you used syphilinum in your practice (and I'm interested in both
successful and unsuccessful prescriptions as a way of trying to understand
it further)?
Argh, ditto!
But my experience with it (as above) inclines me to think that deeper causes
than drugging are at work.
Thanks for your thoughts, and I look forward to hearing further!
Shannon
Thanks for the thoughtful reply!
But in the case of those few strongly allergic patients I've been involved
with (all friends-and-family family, very small sample size!), *none* were
involved with allopathic drugs. (Yep, I come from an unusual family.)
- One is a child who became severely allergic to one food after
another, starting at about one year (his problem was finally solved by
Carc).
- Another has been highly allergic to many foods since childhood, is
now 80, with *many* health-related problems but did not have any allopathic
drugs whatever until thyroid meds starting age 75.
- Another (now 14) has anaphylactic response to one food, apparently
brain changes from another (-> mania, plus boils), but also has had no
allopathic drugs whatever -- no vaccinations, no antibiotics, not even
aspirin.
- The fourth has had milder but very troublesome allergies to many
foods as well as food additives, from childhood, tho this cause of (some of
her) problems was not diagnosed until adulthood.
- Then there's me, again no allopathic stuff, but various fairly severe
food allergies since childhood (also not diagnosed until adulthood).
on 9/20/03 12:44 AM, Albert at hahnemannian444@yahoo.com wrote:
cases under
???? Do you mean that every allergic patient you've treated has a history
of drugging? You must be working in a somewhat provincial area if you don't
have *any* patients of a background similar to mine... Mine is somewhat
unusual here in the US, but certainly not unique. (Are you in the US or ?)
And I gather you're saying that as treatment progresses you always
eventually come back to return of an old symptom that had been suppressed?
Just FWIW, in the examples above, 3 are my mom, myself and my daughter. My
mom was raised by a "rabid Christian Scientist type" (different church,
similar mindset) and was given no drugging whatever. My mother raised her
children the same way, as I have raised mine. But still there is this
weakness and strong allergic tendency. I think the answer here is "miasms",
not something we can blame on drugging. It's handy to blame everything on
the allopaths, but in fact chronic disease came on the picture long before
allopathy did.
How would you approach a case like this, in which drugging simply has not
been a factor?
And of course it's the nature of chronic disease to increase, even if there
is no treatment whatever.
Allopaths of course do not
Well, I guess that was one of my points -- I didn't think we had enough
information to conclude that these folks' diets were *poor*, only that they
were not agreeing with them. But if digestion is weak (and/or one is
responding allergically to some of the usually benign foods) then a meal
that would be great for most people, will cause problems for the patient.
That's why I'd wondered whether these problems are common in "most" people
eating that diet, and wondered just what the diet is.
I take your point, but same is said about my own wheat allergy or my
daughter's milk allergy. (Granted we're not in *perfect* health in absence
of these allergens.) Yet these are considered healthful foods to most folks
-- and yeah, I know there's debate about that, but most people don't have
the extreme problems from them that we do (or others who are "allergic" or
otherwise intolerant). Which is why I view it as "our" problem rather than
*primarily* a problem of diet. (But yes, we avoid those foods.)
Recognizing and extracting the truly characterizing symptoms isn't always a
piece of cake... Since I don't know just what your past exposure has been
(to homeopaths, I mean), I'm not entirely sure what you're reacting to. In
discussions on this list, I'd certainly have thought we were looking for and
emphasizing characterizing features...
Okay, this is not to "put you to the test", as a half-dozen other well
trained (and "classical") homeopaths have not so far done much with it, but
what would you make of this (and I've left unfinished a conversation with
Joy while I groped for an answer to her questions): When my daughter was a
toddler, her response to milk (even to a *tiny* dose BTW, and *never* given
by us!!!!) was to become agitated and angry, then have several "night
terrors" (a ghastly experience, BTW!) during sleep, then the next day be
emotionally back to her normal, but with one or two large boils. To me this
seems awfully unusual and distinctive, but I have never figured out how to
use it. Her reaction now (age 14) is much less intense -- takes much more
exposure and does not get as strong, but same general idea; when she drinks
"too much" milk (e.g. cup or two a day for a couple of weeks?), her
temperament gradually turns from sweet (except to her brother!) to nonstop
vile and nasty. (And I realize that's not a full description, not
characterizing.)
Heavy metal toxicity seems very plausible for any of these folks, but with
one except there's been no obvious source (other than growing up in
cities!).
I completely agree! And the fact that it *does* work so beautifully tells
us that there is more to life than chemistry, LOL!
"Many" I could agree with; "all" seems IMO to be plainly untrue.
In today's drug-happy age drugs are both a frequent cause *and* a very
convenient all-purpose scapegoat! it becomes harder to appreciate that
drugs aren't the root of *all* evil, but for some of us, explanations such
as "miasms" or ??? will have to take up the slack instead...
Have you used syphilinum in your practice (and I'm interested in both
successful and unsuccessful prescriptions as a way of trying to understand
it further)?
Argh, ditto!
But my experience with it (as above) inclines me to think that deeper causes
than drugging are at work.
Thanks for your thoughts, and I look forward to hearing further!
Shannon
let's leave the past behind us and move along in