Minutus

yes teresa, i agree and even more. i wrote another short post that hasnt arrived
yet. there is so much to say about this that i chose to say very little. but yes,
organic meats--red and white, unpasteurized dairy products with all the enzymes
and phytonutrients in the cream and milk to help the dairy be digested and provide
nutrition and health to humans.
but in the yrs you reference, people were also much heavier physical workers and
burned up the heavy meat proteins. today such heavy meat protein eating is an
overload on the sedentary bodies that exist today. then add to that the impact of
all the corn products, antibiotics, hormones, gmo factors, pesticides, etc and we
have a diet that not only is not well nourshing, but highly toxic! and then when the
stress factors are added in, we are on massive overload. and this even before
we get to toxic pharmaceuticals and environmental horrors!
isn't this a grand time to be alive!
tanya
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Organic and *grass-fed*! Or that is, eating their natural diet. A cow
or steer supplemented with organic corn will still give meat and milk
that is skewed in its fatty acid profile, and with lower nutrient
value.
Shannon

yep!

tanya

Not true.

We now know that the clogging is caused by eating too many
carbohydrates.
What happens is that excess carbs are converted to *central* fat in
the omentum (which is why yo will notice a lot of type 2 diabetics
have a "fat tummy" - and that is not inert fat as used to be assumed
- that kind of fat is metabolically active and produces cholesterol
which is what blocks the capillaries.
It is the wrong TYPE of cholesterol - there are several kinds, and
food cholesterol is not the problem - but cholesterol produced by
metabolically active fat tissue IS the problem.

So there is a connection to Carbohydrates - NOT to proteins - for
capillary damage.

Eating high protein is helpful IF it is accompanied by the right
fatty acids. Those come from oleic acids (omega in rice bran and
extra virgin olive oil) and from EPA and DHA (in fish oil. They do
NOT come from inflammatory sources like flax oil, canola oil (which
is 5% transfat), safflower oil, soy oil, sunflower oil or other seed
oils.
Nor from coconut oil. Coconut oil has different benefits esp as a
cooking oil.
Sadly the diabetes association and nmost doctors tell diabetic to eat
a low fat diet - they could not be more wrong. FAT makes the cell
walls flexible. Fat does NOT raise blood glucose - and FAT is the
preferred energy the body like to burn. Carbs are the problem in
diabetes.

That said - some carbs are important, if only for cheerfulness
reasons. But eat them right before exercise so they do good instead
of harm.

The old myth of not exercising right after eating is just that - myth.
It's a good thing to exercise immediately.
People did some proper research on cell wall metabolism and function
and found it is the right fats that matter - not the protein (which
is needed for other reasons) - and that carbs are damaging in an
indirect way - nobody realized fat (from deposited carbs) did
anything in the metabolism back then:-)

[See research refs in Dr Perricone's books for more.]

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

the protein danger to diabetics is from eating the wrong protein -
like soy protein for example. It is too different from human protein
in construction, and not an intended protein source, more an
agricultural leftover that hey want to sell.

Proteins are broken down into amino acids on digestion, and then used
where needed - which is in the ratio of human amino acids not soy
amino acids. So leftover amino acids (if one eats soy or other plant
protein) become nitrogenous waste that the kidneys have to handle -
and a lot of that will cause kidney damage, which is a high risk and
common issue in diabetes. However too litle protein will also cause
kidney damage as the body will have to steal from muscle to repair
other tissues of different amino acid ratios. Again the leftovers are
a kidney damaging issue via nitrogenous waste.
So the right protein for diabetic folks is lots of it, but of the
right kind from animal sources, so as to have optimal amino acid ratios.

We now are seeing that this is more critical for some genotypes than
others. For example *some* type A blood type people (not all) can
handle some plant protein better than any type O person. The research
on this is in its infancy still but some dietary do's and dont's are
slowly emerging that show how individual we are - the above
discussion is "in general", and a good guide - there may well be some
exceptions who can *tolerate* some plant protein (other than soy).
Eggs also have nice lecithin - essential if you are having issues
with the fats that come with animal protein.

A low protein diet never healed anyone as the body is made of protein:-)

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi all,
There is a diet concept called Metabolic Balnce. With this you actually are able to lower insulin demand in diabetics. I have had various cases, where at the end we even could discontinue insulin.
On eof its principles is to start each meal with a protein, so that the insulin stimulation is much lower when compared to starting the meal with a carbohydrate.
Regards,
Dr. M. Franzreb Corbelletti
Castellana 171 Bajo izda., 28046 Madrid
www.drmarcofranzreb.com
Tel.: 914491957
Fax: 914491965
--- On Wed, 9/3/08, Irene de Villiers wrote:

cholesterol has gotten a real bad rap from the drug companies.
it has made millions of dollars for them to promote this. they
keep lowering the level of 'healthy' cholesterol in the body in
order to sell more drugs that cause heart disease.
cholesterol is necessary to promote the health of cell walls and the
body will produce it even when/if it is cut from the diet completely.
cutting cholesterol out of the diet is a guarantee path to illness.
now if cholesterol were the villain in clogged arteries and heart disease,
then most of the world's people would be in trouble considering the
traditional fats from butter, milk, wild game, domestic animals, coconut,
etc. it seems that homocysteine build up is a more dangerous, if not
the dangerous villain in this process of creating plaque build up in
arteries. it is a high producing inflammatory in the body.
the arteries develop weakness, perhaps damage and plaque builds
to protect the artery walls. homocysteine, as i understand it, is the
inflammatory element that is responsible for the damage in the artery
walls. and diet is critical in the formation of high levels of homocysteine
so while there may be some miasmatic predispostion to diabetes, or
anything else, diet errors are always the maintaining cause. but diet
is the necessarty maintaining requirement for life itself and always needs
to be considered as paramount in treating disease.
I have made such major changes in my diet over the past few years. i
had bought into the anti-fat mentality but have learned to welcome the
satisfaction of a diet that uses coconut oil in cooking and olive oil on
salads. i use organic butter for snacks at times. i am trying to keep
soy reduced in my diet, particularly soy oil. food is very satisfying
cooked in coconut oil. it also doesn't burn off and so less is quite
sufficient for sauteing the obligatory garlic and onions that go into
most of my cooked veggies.
tanya

Hi Shannon,

What you are saying below is probably correct - but this is (was?) not
the theory. The theory is about properly digested and further
processed proteins - nothing to do with digestion problems.

I am not sayint it is correct. I have no idea which of the many, many
convergent and often contradictory theories on nutrition is correct or
most correct. Nutrition was my hobby at one time, I studied it for
years before I even started with homeopathy etc. At pone point I gave
up:-)

Regards

Luise
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So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Hi Irene,

as I already said in my post to Shannon - I have given up on
"eating according to theories" or "results of research", whatever
these 2 may have found out at a specific time. I have seen too many of
them at a given time plus heard them violently argued pro and con by
the specific groups:-)) Also, I have seen too many come and go.

As to the theory of proteins clogging the ccapillaries: as I said,
Professor Wendt's theories/results of his own research were never
accepted/taken up by "science", thus no further research was done
along those lines. Since afaik his publications were never translated
into English (and probably also not into other languages) they have
never been known outside of German speaking countries. Since most of
the theories now rampant in Germany (nutrition as well as homeopathy,
most other alternative as well as scientific topics are heavily
dominated by research and ideas in Anglo-Saxon (i.e. English language)
countries, I suppose that Prof. Wendts approach is now practically
unknown here also.

I just wrote about it to show that there have existed completely
different ideas also:-)

Regards

Luise
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Hi Irene,
Well, it was Adelle Davis who wrote that protein is the (only) plant
protein that has the correct relative percentage of amino acids. Thus
vegans must either eat soy products or combine their vegan food
certain ways.

All this said: there are faik many people who eat vegan diets and even
more veggies who use very limited animal-source proteins. Also, all
through history in many parts of the world less well-to-do people have
not been able to afford much animal protein in their diets or have
been precluded from eating it for religious reasons.

In Germany at least vegetarians are considered to have less of the
"modern" diseases.

I do not know of any study comparing the health and longetivity at a
certain point in history of e.g. Hindus, Inuit, cattle-raising
farmers, fishing communities etc (taking into consideration other
aspects of the possible hazards to health and life expectancy of the
groups)

So to me the quesion of best nutrition is still wide open.

Regards

Luise
So leftover amino acids (if one eats soy or other plant

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