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Magda:

I don't normally chime in on this message board, but this "string" concerns
me very much. The Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia Convention of the United States
is the primary organization dealing with FDA on the regulation of
homeopathic remedies. The HPCUS recommends that all Nosodes be classified
as "Prescription Drugs". This is typically true of any remedy ending in
"inum". Most reputable companies only dispense nosodes to pharmacists or
practitioners properly licensed to write prescriptions in the state of their
locale.

It is widely debated in the homeopathic community whether this is "law" or
simply a "recommendation." In a situation like this one, rest assured that
the interpretation of the FDA will be one of "law." Not only that, but the
practitioner in question seems to in violation of professional ethics for
using "prescription" medications for un-tested, un-proven protocols.

FDA is busy chasing "dead bodies" and relies heavily on the homeopathic
community to "self-regulate". As a community, we have an obligation to make
sure the highest standards are upheld. I suggest you report your concerns
to the HPCUS and allow them to make suggestions on how to deal with this
practitioner. You can email the President of the HPCUS here:
borneman3@aol.com

For more information on "homeopathic" regulatory issues visit the site:
http://www.hpus.com/ and click the link on regulations.

Maybe the biggest problem for the pups that Magda and Patti have talked
about come not from being given potentized germs, but from being given a
huge number of high potency remedies, and way too close together? Usually
when I've read protocols for this kind of thing, it has been a dose or a
few, spaced days or months apart -- *far* different from what Magda seems to
be describing.

Shannon
on 8/13/02 6:52 PM, Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD. at jroz@ihug.co.nz wrote:

Hi Dr. R,

What potencies and repetition schedule have you used or observed for
prophylaxis?

Shannon
on 8/13/02 6:52 PM, Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD. at jroz@ihug.co.nz wrote:

Hope I'm not beating a dead horse about this!
Do you know whether the owners are getting back to her about what's
happened? Is she familiar with the problems that are arising in these
puppies? What does she say about it?

Shannon
on 8/14/02 5:11 AM, Magda Aguila at aquiline@statecom.net wrote:

The animals seem to be past proving the remedy. They seem to have the
disease permanently engrafted onto their constitutions and now have to be
treated according to the symptoms they present. This person has obviously
given WAY too much of the nosode.

Allen

Thank you! You have no idea how long I have been trying to get something
done about this person! Anyone with access to a computer can order Lyssin
from this company and give it to their animal to "antidote" the rabies
vaccine! It is maddening and very frustrating! I will contact them for
sure!

Magda

Shannon,

I agree with you 100%. But my personal experience with my own dogs was not
much better. When I was giving Parvo nosodes without the animal being
challenged with the virus (usually at about 5-6 weeks of age), I was getting
parvo regularly. I decided to stop giving nosodes, and didn't have another
episode of Parvo again.

But I have used the Parvo nosode as an intercurrent in the treatment of
Parvo with very good results.

I have also used it and the distemper nosode as intercurrent in chronic
treatment, and again, have gotten excellent results.

So, based on my personal experience, I don't recommend the use of these
nosodes, unless there is an epidemic going around and the chances of
exposure are high.

Magda

I don't know if the owners are getting back to her with information. I have
for many years tried to educate her, complained and have had yelling matches
with her. She does not accept responsibility for it and claims that is the
way she has been taught. Of course, when asked she claims the "company" she
gets her products from "trained her thorough" in homeotoxicology. It's like
beating a dead horse!

Magda

Hi Dr. Roz -

Hi Allen,

I agree with you, this seems way past "proving". But from what I've been
told over the years, there are other ways besides "proving" that remedies
can mess someone if, if they are misused egregiously and energetically
enough -- e.g. giving frequent doses of high potencies, and giving one
deep-acting remedy after another, sounds like it violates absolutely every
principle of homeopathy, as well as everything that makes homeopathy
*normally* so safe.

According to what I've been told, and heard cases that seem to verify this,
that if the VF is sufficiently "battered" by a succession of ill-suited and
ill-timed remedies, things can really go to pot -- can get severely
"mis-tuned", to use Hahnemann's analogy.

Whether we call it "engrafting" or just "royally messed up", it's the same
idea. How horribly sad...

Seems like a very good thing if someone could write up some of these cases
that turned out so badly, giving specifics of just what was done and what
happened.

Shannon
The technical term, I guess, would be "royally messed up"

on 8/14/02 10:40 AM, allen coniglio at anon058@adelphia.net wrote: