Don't know if these particular jellyfish are edible, but the Koreans (and presumably the Japanese) have been eating jellyfish for eons -- along with just about everything else from the sea.
I've had them; can't say I was thrilled, but then I'm not fond of uni (sea urchin paste) either.
Peace,
Dale
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Eggs-LESS, Going Vegan
Re: Eggs-LESS, Going Vegan
Hello,
Have been reading the recent posts about eggs/meat and really hoped to hold my tongue as I'm not a part of this quite tight discussion group and felt sure my opinion would not sway anyone.
I generally only read the posts of contributors trying to learn from the good homeopaths who post here.
That said......I have always thought that those who have chosen to devote themselves to homeopathy must have started their journey with a well intentioned heart, seeking a kinder and gentler way to help others find health. I have always thought the gift of knowledge of homeopathy was very spiritual.
I do not believe that the death of any sentient animal can feed the soul or spirit of we humans. I am well aware of the horrors to non-human animals at slaughter as have rescued many from slaughter houses and have witnessed the atrocities.
I am unaware of any slaughter/death to any non-human animal to be used as food that could ever be considered *kind*. Fanciful pictures of small farmers kindly killing their pasture raised animals fed only organically........how *kind* can slaughter/death be? How many actually have witnessed the hanging of the animal by one leg, braking their backs, slicing the throat to bleed out? The fear the animal suffers? The smell of the blood and the screams of pain of the animal killed just before them?
I need to feel at peace at the end of the day that I had done no harm to any living creature and certainly not to have caused a death to another so I could eat.
Since all that is needed by we humans to feed ourselves quite well can be obtained without slaughter/death to any non-human animal, it seems a very easy choice to eat foods that do not cause pain or loss of life to another.
Kindness begins in the kitchen. And I feel homeopathic practitioners are kind humans who would advocate kindness to all living beings. ? Killing is not kind, ever.
Many seem quite healthy as vegans as below :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vegans
http://livinggreenmag.com/2013/08/14/pe ... -eat-meat/
I must add my daughter to the wiki list! She was raised a vegetarian and then became a staunch vegan at about 14 years old before her issue with school required dissection. Her two children have been raised as vegans from (home) birth, without any vaccinations. My grandchildren thrive, have never been sick, ever. One is an accomplished ballet dancer, the other in a respected college of the arts. Hooray for non-vaxed/vegan kids!
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ig1sSC ... ol&f=false
-Georgianna
Have been reading the recent posts about eggs/meat and really hoped to hold my tongue as I'm not a part of this quite tight discussion group and felt sure my opinion would not sway anyone.
I generally only read the posts of contributors trying to learn from the good homeopaths who post here.
That said......I have always thought that those who have chosen to devote themselves to homeopathy must have started their journey with a well intentioned heart, seeking a kinder and gentler way to help others find health. I have always thought the gift of knowledge of homeopathy was very spiritual.
I do not believe that the death of any sentient animal can feed the soul or spirit of we humans. I am well aware of the horrors to non-human animals at slaughter as have rescued many from slaughter houses and have witnessed the atrocities.
I am unaware of any slaughter/death to any non-human animal to be used as food that could ever be considered *kind*. Fanciful pictures of small farmers kindly killing their pasture raised animals fed only organically........how *kind* can slaughter/death be? How many actually have witnessed the hanging of the animal by one leg, braking their backs, slicing the throat to bleed out? The fear the animal suffers? The smell of the blood and the screams of pain of the animal killed just before them?
I need to feel at peace at the end of the day that I had done no harm to any living creature and certainly not to have caused a death to another so I could eat.
Since all that is needed by we humans to feed ourselves quite well can be obtained without slaughter/death to any non-human animal, it seems a very easy choice to eat foods that do not cause pain or loss of life to another.
Kindness begins in the kitchen. And I feel homeopathic practitioners are kind humans who would advocate kindness to all living beings. ? Killing is not kind, ever.
Many seem quite healthy as vegans as below :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vegans
http://livinggreenmag.com/2013/08/14/pe ... -eat-meat/
I must add my daughter to the wiki list! She was raised a vegetarian and then became a staunch vegan at about 14 years old before her issue with school required dissection. Her two children have been raised as vegans from (home) birth, without any vaccinations. My grandchildren thrive, have never been sick, ever. One is an accomplished ballet dancer, the other in a respected college of the arts. Hooray for non-vaxed/vegan kids!
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ig1sSC ... ol&f=false
-Georgianna
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Re: Eggs-LESS, Going Vegan
Choice has nothing to do with it.
Cows, goats, and other ungulates have no choice either - they are herbivores by design.
Cats, dogs, wolves, ferrets, honeybadgers, and wolverines are all carnivores by design.
Humans, chimpanzees, bear, skunk, raccoons are all omnivores by design.
We are DESIGNED as omnivores. We have NO choice in the matter!
You can choose to pretend to be vegetarian, and our poor body will try to accommodate you, as it is very well designed, and will go along with you as far as it can. But you cannot be optimally healthy as a vegetarian when you are designed omnivore.
That is also the case with others who choose to eat contrary to their design. For example panda bears are carnivores pretending to be vegetarians. There are serious consequences: They must use the bathroom 40 times a day and eat every hour they are awake to get enough energy from bamboo to stay alive. They cannot hibernate as is normal for bears, as they woudl die. They are unable to store hibernation fat on a vegetarian diet, and must eat all day every day summer and winter, however frozen the bamboo is.
SO pandas CHOOSE to be vegetarian, but they are DESIGNED carnivore. Pretending to be vegetarian has serious consequences. They can't even have sex much, maybe once in five years, as it takes too much energy, that they can not develop on bamboo diet.
Whether an individual is carnivore, omnivore or herbivore is a matter of inherited design not choice.
We are structurally adn functionally, only one of these.
Our liver as an omnivore is very special. We have enzymes needed to digest plants. It is why we can eat plants containing cyanoglycocides, saponins, polyphenols and bioflavonoids for example. We call them "antioxidants" but they are actually poisons which enzymes in our liver convert to antioxidants. They cannot be eaten by either carnivores or herbivores. Neither has the enzymes in the liver for these particular complex plants. They ARE part of omnivore design.
Herbivores are designed for a rather simple diet of mainly grass. Their design has multiple stomachs to help them digest grasses, each stomach with specific bacteria to ferment the grasses to a particular stage. Cows for exampe have three stomachs for this. But do not feed them complex plants nor any meat as their DESIGN does not cater for that.
Omnivores have ONE stomach, which is there specifically for digesting animal foodstuffs, which need strong acid to digest. (Plants are not digested in our stomach, they wait to get to the very long intestines where they get enzymes added from the liver). But we DO have a stomach with hydrochloric acid in it as we are in need of animal food and the stomach is there to digest it. Also, our teeth (molars) are designed for chewing plants as well as having tearing teeth (eye teeth, or "canine" teeth) for meat. For example our kidneys stay healthy on animal protein but not so much on plant protein. We cannot make our own Vit B12 or EPA or DHA, so we need to eat animals for it. It is not available in plants.
Carnivores are also specifically designed for carnivore diet. They have hardly any liver, just a little one as they need no enzymes for plants. In fact plants adn plant fats are toxic or otherwise damaging to them. Instead carnivores have a special ability to handle animal food, with a stomach that can stretch to accommodate a huge meal they may come across. (Note all the loose skin under a cat to also help them expand over a large meal.) They do not have long intestines as we do however, as they are not designed for plants and so they do not need long intestines to do the difficult plant digestion as needed by omniivores and herbivores.
Carnivores can not move their jaws side to side as we can. That is becasue they are not designed to chew anything, only to tear meat and swallow it. Wiggling a jaw sideways to chew, is only needed for plants. Carnivores are not designed for ANY plants.
So Carnivores only have sharp teeth to tear meat, and a digestive system for meat and animal fat. (Intestinal bacteria make the short chain fatty acids and B vitamins we would get from plants, and they can make their own Vit C which we get from plants).
Omnivores, like us, have sharp teeth for meat and flat-top molars for chewing, and a digestive system for plants and meat, with stomach for meat and long intestines for plants.
Herbivores do not have sharp canines as they only chew, and are not meat tearing in their design. They have no hydrochloric acid type stomach, only up to three stomachs for grass....what THEY are designed for.
SO this is all to do with what we are DESIGNED to eat.
We can make certain nutrients according to that design, but not others, out of the forty needed ones, according to this design.
It comes with the genes we have and the structure we have and the stomach and liver functions and intestinal length and complexity in the design. It is how we are made.
Many animals have adapted to special circumstances, and snakes have eyes which are set to give them the widest possible vision as creatures on the ground. They need to see in the direction their prey lives, they are not astonomers:-)
ALL designs are good ones, nature has no crazy ideas:-)
Herbivores are prey types by design, and have eyes on the side to see a wide range of where their enemy - the predator - is coming from.
Carnivores are predators by design with eyes that see where they expect prey to be, and multiply up tyhje light to do it well, special noses to find prey, and ears that have 30 muscles each to move in all directions to hear where to find animal food.
We Omniovores are in the middle again......and we go both ways, with adaptations as predators/hunters, and we also can be prey, though most of the predators of man have been destroyed by man. A few large wild cat conservancies are left.
All this is to do with being omnivore by design:-)
correct
incorrect
Gorillas, chimpanzees and other primates are all omnivores.
They do eat animals........ insects, termites, worms, grubs and so on are their favorite foods.
Insects are 55 to 65% animal protein by the way - same as meat - they are extremely nutritious.
YOU might like to try THAT omnivore diet?
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Cows, goats, and other ungulates have no choice either - they are herbivores by design.
Cats, dogs, wolves, ferrets, honeybadgers, and wolverines are all carnivores by design.
Humans, chimpanzees, bear, skunk, raccoons are all omnivores by design.
We are DESIGNED as omnivores. We have NO choice in the matter!
You can choose to pretend to be vegetarian, and our poor body will try to accommodate you, as it is very well designed, and will go along with you as far as it can. But you cannot be optimally healthy as a vegetarian when you are designed omnivore.
That is also the case with others who choose to eat contrary to their design. For example panda bears are carnivores pretending to be vegetarians. There are serious consequences: They must use the bathroom 40 times a day and eat every hour they are awake to get enough energy from bamboo to stay alive. They cannot hibernate as is normal for bears, as they woudl die. They are unable to store hibernation fat on a vegetarian diet, and must eat all day every day summer and winter, however frozen the bamboo is.
SO pandas CHOOSE to be vegetarian, but they are DESIGNED carnivore. Pretending to be vegetarian has serious consequences. They can't even have sex much, maybe once in five years, as it takes too much energy, that they can not develop on bamboo diet.
Whether an individual is carnivore, omnivore or herbivore is a matter of inherited design not choice.
We are structurally adn functionally, only one of these.
Our liver as an omnivore is very special. We have enzymes needed to digest plants. It is why we can eat plants containing cyanoglycocides, saponins, polyphenols and bioflavonoids for example. We call them "antioxidants" but they are actually poisons which enzymes in our liver convert to antioxidants. They cannot be eaten by either carnivores or herbivores. Neither has the enzymes in the liver for these particular complex plants. They ARE part of omnivore design.
Herbivores are designed for a rather simple diet of mainly grass. Their design has multiple stomachs to help them digest grasses, each stomach with specific bacteria to ferment the grasses to a particular stage. Cows for exampe have three stomachs for this. But do not feed them complex plants nor any meat as their DESIGN does not cater for that.
Omnivores have ONE stomach, which is there specifically for digesting animal foodstuffs, which need strong acid to digest. (Plants are not digested in our stomach, they wait to get to the very long intestines where they get enzymes added from the liver). But we DO have a stomach with hydrochloric acid in it as we are in need of animal food and the stomach is there to digest it. Also, our teeth (molars) are designed for chewing plants as well as having tearing teeth (eye teeth, or "canine" teeth) for meat. For example our kidneys stay healthy on animal protein but not so much on plant protein. We cannot make our own Vit B12 or EPA or DHA, so we need to eat animals for it. It is not available in plants.
Carnivores are also specifically designed for carnivore diet. They have hardly any liver, just a little one as they need no enzymes for plants. In fact plants adn plant fats are toxic or otherwise damaging to them. Instead carnivores have a special ability to handle animal food, with a stomach that can stretch to accommodate a huge meal they may come across. (Note all the loose skin under a cat to also help them expand over a large meal.) They do not have long intestines as we do however, as they are not designed for plants and so they do not need long intestines to do the difficult plant digestion as needed by omniivores and herbivores.
Carnivores can not move their jaws side to side as we can. That is becasue they are not designed to chew anything, only to tear meat and swallow it. Wiggling a jaw sideways to chew, is only needed for plants. Carnivores are not designed for ANY plants.
So Carnivores only have sharp teeth to tear meat, and a digestive system for meat and animal fat. (Intestinal bacteria make the short chain fatty acids and B vitamins we would get from plants, and they can make their own Vit C which we get from plants).
Omnivores, like us, have sharp teeth for meat and flat-top molars for chewing, and a digestive system for plants and meat, with stomach for meat and long intestines for plants.
Herbivores do not have sharp canines as they only chew, and are not meat tearing in their design. They have no hydrochloric acid type stomach, only up to three stomachs for grass....what THEY are designed for.
SO this is all to do with what we are DESIGNED to eat.
We can make certain nutrients according to that design, but not others, out of the forty needed ones, according to this design.
It comes with the genes we have and the structure we have and the stomach and liver functions and intestinal length and complexity in the design. It is how we are made.
Many animals have adapted to special circumstances, and snakes have eyes which are set to give them the widest possible vision as creatures on the ground. They need to see in the direction their prey lives, they are not astonomers:-)
ALL designs are good ones, nature has no crazy ideas:-)
Herbivores are prey types by design, and have eyes on the side to see a wide range of where their enemy - the predator - is coming from.
Carnivores are predators by design with eyes that see where they expect prey to be, and multiply up tyhje light to do it well, special noses to find prey, and ears that have 30 muscles each to move in all directions to hear where to find animal food.
We Omniovores are in the middle again......and we go both ways, with adaptations as predators/hunters, and we also can be prey, though most of the predators of man have been destroyed by man. A few large wild cat conservancies are left.
All this is to do with being omnivore by design:-)
correct
incorrect
Gorillas, chimpanzees and other primates are all omnivores.
They do eat animals........ insects, termites, worms, grubs and so on are their favorite foods.
Insects are 55 to 65% animal protein by the way - same as meat - they are extremely nutritious.
YOU might like to try THAT omnivore diet?
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Eggs-LESS, Going Vegan
On Nov 3, 2014, at 8:36 AM, "Irene de Villiers furryboots@icehouse.net [minutus]" > wrote:
Now that is an interesting illustration! Irene, I'm not sure where to go with this… If a panda is raised with no bamboo available, will it eat a different diet? if it's force-fed a different diet, will it survive? I don't quite see how the term "choice" can apply here… Elaborate?????
Shannon
Now that is an interesting illustration! Irene, I'm not sure where to go with this… If a panda is raised with no bamboo available, will it eat a different diet? if it's force-fed a different diet, will it survive? I don't quite see how the term "choice" can apply here… Elaborate?????
Shannon
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Eggs-LESS, Going Vegan
You heard wrong:-)
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Eggs-LESS, Going Vegan
It is actually formic acid not pepper, and it will etch glass! (in the right amount)
But I had a cat who loved ants. He would see them between floorboard cracks and patiently wait till one climbed out. Then he would pounce, scrunch up his face horrendously at the taste, swallow, shake his head as if to clear out the formic acid, blink, and go back to look for the next one:-)
For me it was a hilarious spectator sport.
.Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
But I had a cat who loved ants. He would see them between floorboard cracks and patiently wait till one climbed out. Then he would pounce, scrunch up his face horrendously at the taste, swallow, shake his head as if to clear out the formic acid, blink, and go back to look for the next one:-)
For me it was a hilarious spectator sport.
.Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Tanya Marquette
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Re: Eggs-LESS, Going Vegan
Shannon, you are being much more charitable than I am. Although I agree 110% with everything else that Irene said, I just don't see how we can attribute "choice" to an animal. Although, I must admit that panda's health very much models a vegan's health.
Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 08:46:15 -0600
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Eggs-LESS, Going Vegan
Now that is an interesting illustration! Irene, I'm not sure where to go with this… If a panda is raised with no bamboo available, will it eat a different diet? if it's force-fed a different diet, will it survive? I don't quite see how the term "choice" can apply here… Elaborate?????
Shannon
Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 08:46:15 -0600
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Eggs-LESS, Going Vegan
Now that is an interesting illustration! Irene, I'm not sure where to go with this… If a panda is raised with no bamboo available, will it eat a different diet? if it's force-fed a different diet, will it survive? I don't quite see how the term "choice" can apply here… Elaborate?????
Shannon
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: Eggs-LESS, Going Vegan
I do not think they desired the choice so much as it was environmentally forced choice.
I think it was a matter of being ousted from territory (human crowding ?) so that "choice" to eat bamboo was the only survival one they had. It was that or die.
I do not know how well a panda will do on carnivore food if it was suddenly canged back. Probably fine if from birth, not fine as adult asapted to bamboo...my guess though, I do not know.
We do see some amazing adaptations to strange situations among the animals.
...Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
I think it was a matter of being ousted from territory (human crowding ?) so that "choice" to eat bamboo was the only survival one they had. It was that or die.
I do not know how well a panda will do on carnivore food if it was suddenly canged back. Probably fine if from birth, not fine as adult asapted to bamboo...my guess though, I do not know.
We do see some amazing adaptations to strange situations among the animals.
...Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."