Quick question

[Rachel]

hi tanya. i'd think that if the sow bugs retreated from the garden before they were able to lay eggs, then the cycle was prob just interrupted. i never heard of a sow bug; i just googled and i dont think i have those in my yard.
i have used Helix several years in a row and not observed any effect. Kavi did say tho that it was one of the most specific, reliable agro remedies he knew of. i used it this year and maybe it seems to be working. i had baby slugs a few weeks ago and now i seem to have none. coincidence? maybe. last year i know i got lazy and just threw Helix pellets all over, so i might have been at fault. anyway, i don't know the difference between snails and slugs.

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From: "tanya tamarque@earthlink.net [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] RE: Quick question
that is what Kav said to do.

I tend to make smaller amounts and use about 25 pellets per 1-2 gallons.

I have used oniscus for sow bugs in the garden and did several gallons and sprayed
the garden in large sections before planting. It was fascinating to watch the bugs retreat.
Last year the garden was a crawling mess with them; this year there are hardly any. Am
wondering if there was a residual effect that wintered over or the climate change has
caused disruption in their cycle of production.

Have to also wonder if using helix for slugs didn't actually create snails in my garden whick
were never there before. Now there are more snails than slugs. Really nasty. Interestingly
I find them on the garlic leaves where they don't do any damage. They do destroy everything
else. Wondering what to do with this observation. Any ideas on how to interpret this?

t

[Shannon Nelson]

If Helix repels the slugs but not the snails, then that leaves more room and food for the snails…?

[Rochelle Marsden]

Snails have a shell!!!! Slugs don’t!!
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
hi tanya. i'd think that if the sow bugs retreated from the garden before they were able to lay eggs, then the cycle was prob just interrupted. i never heard of a sow bug; i just googled and i dont think i have those in my yard.
i have used Helix several years in a row and not observed any effect. Kavi did say tho that it was one of the most specific, reliable agro remedies he knew of. i used it this year and maybe it seems to be working. i had baby slugs a few weeks ago and now i seem to have none. coincidence? maybe. last year i know i got lazy and just threw Helix pellets all over, so i might have been at fault. anyway, i don't know the difference between snails and slugs.
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From: "tanya tamarque@earthlink.net [minutus]" >
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] RE: Quick question
that is what Kav said to do.

I tend to make smaller amounts and use about 25 pellets per 1-2 gallons.

I have used oniscus for sow bugs in the garden and did several gallons and sprayed
the garden in large sections before planting. It was fascinating to watch the bugs retreat.
Last year the garden was a crawling mess with them; this year there are hardly any. Am
wondering if there was a residual effect that wintered over or the climate change has
caused disruption in their cycle of production.

Have to also wonder if using helix for slugs didn't actually create snails in my garden whick
were never there before. Now there are more snails than slugs. Really nasty. Interestingly
I find them on the garlic leaves where they don't do any damage. They do destroy everything
else. Wondering what to do with this observation. Any ideas on how to interpret this?

t

[Rachel]

i've only ever seen snails in the ocean.

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From: "'Rochelle Marsden' rochellemarsden@talktalk.net [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] RE: Quick question
Snails have a shell!!!! Slugs don’t!!
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
hi tanya. i'd think that if the sow bugs retreated from the garden before they were able to lay eggs, then the cycle was prob just interrupted. i never heard of a sow bug; i just googled and i dont think i have those in my yard.
i have used Helix several years in a row and not observed any effect. Kavi did say tho that it was one of the most specific, reliable agro remedies he knew of. i used it this year and maybe it seems to be working. i had baby slugs a few weeks ago and now i seem to have none. coincidence? maybe. last year i know i got lazy and just threw Helix pellets all over, so i might have been at fault. anyway, i don't know the difference between snails and slugs.
________________________________

From: "tanya tamarque@earthlink.net [minutus]" >
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] RE: Quick question
that is what Kav said to do.

I tend to make smaller amounts and use about 25 pellets per 1-2 gallons.

I have used oniscus for sow bugs in the garden and did several gallons and sprayed
the garden in large sections before planting. It was fascinating to watch the bugs retreat.
Last year the garden was a crawling mess with them; this year there are hardly any. Am
wondering if there was a residual effect that wintered over or the climate change has
caused disruption in their cycle of production.

Have to also wonder if using helix for slugs didn't actually create snails in my garden whick
were never there before. Now there are more snails than slugs. Really nasty. Interestingly
I find them on the garlic leaves where they don't do any damage. They do destroy everything
else. Wondering what to do with this observation. Any ideas on how to interpret this?

t

[Tanya Marquette]

That's right. and the snails I have are small soft shell ones.

I have begun to collect some to try and make my own remedy. Will see if I actually accomplish that.

The slugs responde to Helix very well. My favorite story about this occurred 2 yrs ago. I planted a few lettuces
late in the season and they were treated at planting. One day i went to pick a head and as I grabbed it there
was this pile of slugs (big Ugh!) under the leaves which I almost grabbed. Still churns my stomach thinking about it.
It was so frustrating because I thought the rx was not working anymore. Then it occurred to me that they were
knocking on the door but couldn't get in: the lettuces were blocking the slugs from eating them. That story has
stayed with me as a perfect example of how the rx work in the field.

Kav thought Helix should deal with the snails, too, but it absolutely does not. And given the significantly increased
population in the garden it seems reasonable to question the relationship. The snails have increased yearly since
the use of Helix. It has made me reluctant to use it this year and am thinking of just getting some beer and placing
it in little cans around the garden.

t
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[Tanya Marquette]

You realize that Helix is made from a variety of slug. That is why I am wondering if it isn't
attracting them.

BTW, others in UK have said that Helix does not work on either critter in their gardens.

t

[Dale Moss]

Sow bugs aren't much of a problem here, but Japanese beetles are. What's recommended for that? (Or do I have to potentize the little buggers myself!)
Peace,
Dale

[Rachel]

i looked up japanese beetles in Kavi's book the other day because i am drowning in them, but there wasn't much info there.

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From: "'DALE MOSS' dale.moss@verizon.net [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] RE: Quick question

Sow bugs aren't much of a problem here, but Japanese beetles are. What's recommended for that? (Or do I have to potentize the little buggers myself!)
Peace,
Dale

[Tanya Marquette]

Sow bugs look like littel gray armidillos. They are also called potato bug because of their shape.

I had been told they were harmless so I did nothing but then found they will eat new seedlings. I have
a big problem with seedlings not being there. it is hard to tell if it lack of germination or insects eating
them as they emerge. The Oniscus absolutely worked on them Will see what happens next year as there
are sow bugs, just not many at all. As previously note, the weather is really bizarre this year. I still have
hardly any tomatoes on the vine and usually am picking my first ones by now. Cukes have not germinated at all.
No green beans either germinating in the garden. Finally put squash and green been seeds in water in the house
and then transplanted them when they had some roots. Most of those are doing well. now. Other people reporting
similar aberrations in their gardens.

Slugs are like bigger snails without a shell. They are orangey in my garden and slimy. They are also hard to crush
as they are covered with some yukky coating that is hard to wash off your fingers. Squeezing them is like squeezing
one of those twistable balloons. What a survival characteristic. They have to be drowned or cut in half to kill them.
Pretty violent of me!

t
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[Tanya Marquette]

Just happen to have Kav's book next to me. He cites Tanacetum vulgare (tansy for Japanese beetles)
If I understand him correctly, it the tincture of the flowering plant that is used. He then says that in
potency it is good for flies and ants. He also cites an herbal that the plant repels Japanese Beetles and
I assume that means growing it near affected plants.

We do know that tansy is used around doors to keep out ant and is recommended to be put around countertops
to repel them.

Hope this helps

t