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Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:13 am
by Gisela Ahrendt
Sorry Rochlle - I thought we were talking about diabetics and not just weight gain -
Gisela

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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: JAHatERI@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:20:50 -0500
Subject: Re: FW: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II
Hi Rochelle. How about Chromium Cruciferate by Ecological Formulas.
J.H.
In a message dated 2/12/2013 11:27:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, rochellemarsden@talktalk.net writes:

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:39 am
by Rochelle
Didn’t work on ,me probably cos I don’t have Syzygium symptoms
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gisela Ahrendt
Sent: 13 February 2013 23:10
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II
Hello has anybody thought of Syzygium - if you read Boericke on Syzygium - it tells you what a great remedy this is to stabilize insulin and sugar in the body.
Gisela Di Carlo,Di.Hom

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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: JAHatERI@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:20:50 -0500
Subject: Re: FW: [Minutus] Diabetic Medicines for Type-II
Hi Rochelle. How about Chromium Cruciferate by Ecological Formulas.

J.H.
In a message dated 2/12/2013 11:27:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, rochellemarsden@talktalk.net writes:

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:02 am
by healthinfo6
I have Syzygium MT prescribed by your pal Dr. Ramakrishnan. Haven't used in a couple of years but will try again since I have high sugar in urine based on test strips. I forgot instructions, how do you take an MT??
Susan

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:01 am
by Irene de Villiers
They are mistaken, to the detriment of many of us whose diabetes happened with no relationship to diet whatever.

SO while diabetics ALL need to watch diet (or lose limbs, kidneys, have heart attacks, etc - it is a simple choice we make), it is a separate issue from what *caused* the diabetes.

In my case for example the cause is cortisol (a catabolic stress hormone from tumors but cortisol can be high for many reasons). There is zero diabetes in my family.
Cortisol is high in for example:
PTSD
People on steroid "therapy".
People with central obesity - as that central fat is metabolically active and produces cortisol.
Other high stress situations.

Central obesity is an interesting issue as it is also an effect of cortisol - so it is a self-perpetuating cortisol source.
It is possible to start thin and eat to central obesity and get a cortisol machine that way - but it is far more likely that some stress caused the overeating which caused the central obesity which results in excess cortisol. In THESE cases of diabetes, if the central fat can be lost (which is not easy as the cortisol produced by it blocks fat burning) then the diabetes from central obesity cortisol will go away.

If the cortisol which induces type 2 (insulin-resistant) diabetes is not from central obesity but is directly from another source (tumors, an epigene in the "wrong" switch position, PTSD etc), then the person can be thin or not, but they will still have diabetes triggered by cortisol.

Cortisol causes diabetes this way:

Cortisol causes diabetes essentially because high cortisol causes protein to convert to glucose, inducing insulin release and after ding it often, there is insulin resistance:

FIrst cortisol steals amino acids from the body protein, and takes them to the liver to be made into glucose by glycolysis - in order to supply fast blood glucose needed for "fright or flight". This happens regardless why the stress level is high. Cortisol is the "flight and fright" hormone designed to give us glucose for energy "to run from the tiger back to the cave" - even if some other sedentary stress or tumor or toxin or allergy or injury or whatever, is causing the cortisol release. It's a primitive hormone that has not adjusted how it works, with modern stresses which are less likely to be the "run from the tiger" kind and more likely to involve emotional, chemical or other modern stress.
When the glucose made by cortisol is NOT used to "run from tigers back to the cave", the body then releases insulin to turn the excess glucose to central fat. Insulin ONLY deposits central fat. And Central fat is the only metabolically active fat - it is a factory for making more cortisol! (Other fat - subcutaneous fat - is inert - it just stores energy. Central fat is stored in the omentum, and is very active metabolically.)
The result is that cortisol turns each *one* pound of muscle or other body protein converted into *five* pounds of metabolically active central fat (an unkind ratio indeed!) - which makes MORE cortisol. Cortisol indiscriminately takes protein from anywhere it can find it, including muscles, gut lining protein hence stress ulcers, or hair protein, hence thin hair when stressed, etc.)
All the glucose made from protein by cortisol results in MORE insulin released.
Which results in insulin resistance, pancreas damage, glycation of cells/vessels of the body, etc.
Which is called Type 2 diabetes.

I cannot think of a case of type 2 diabetes that would not involve cortisol as part of the cause, however the high cortisol comes about.

As a result, it is fair to say that those supplements and foods that lower cortisol, will also help diabetes.
I believe this explains why people are so individual in their glucose response to foods. Different foods are stressors to different bodies - and some foods are directly beneficial to some individuals but not others. (Blood type and genotype research has also shown this). Rochelle also notices her individual responses - mine are that way as well. (example: Mango helps and broccoli makes it worse for me, which is contrary to glycemic index predictions).

The rest of my diabetes theory (the above regarding cortisol is MY theory based on my scientific observations - t me it looks awfully obvious) has to do with adverse reactions. As Rochelle mentioned, when there is an infection, the glucose level goes up - it's due to raised cortisol during infection. But there is also raised cortisol during other adverse reactions such as allergies. I just had that proved to me again. I had my diabetes under good control till a few months ago, and since then it has been wildly out of control with no explanation I could see, though I have been getting sicker by the day without understanding why - till yesterday it hit me. I was feeling much worse a halfhour after swallowing prescription magnesium supplements. I checked the ingredients:
There is a long list of excipients (the "other" ingredients) one of which is acacia - a known allergy for me. I stopped taking them 24 hrs ago and already the asthma is much less, and the pain is a bit better, and my glucose has improved a bit. I can't believe I did not realize I was poisoning myself for so long, it's been months since they changed the brand I was given when my health insurance company was changed - but it certainly confirms the stress hormone higher due to allergy, as well as due to infection - basically any stress thus any raised cortisol - IS relevant to blood glucose management.
They do. The epigene switch will predispose higher cortisol release than average, to a specified stress stimulus level.
This can lead to insulin resistance just the same as any other cortisol issue - with or without any central obesity.
There's a recorded case of a 76 year old woman, a skinny lady, admitted to hospital for symptoms of diabetes, who died two days later in hospital to their surprise. An autopsy showed up the cortisol-making tumor that killed her.
Cortisol does a lot more harm than just diabetes. Diabetes is actually a milder and controllable side effect of excess cortisol. (Tumor-driven cortisol can be 30 or more times higher than the level needed to cause diabetes.)
Tumor-driven cortisol is KNOWN to result in diabetes. It just seems so obvious to me that cortisol is the common denominator in type 2 diabetes.
Yes. The body responds to ALL kinds of stress with cortisol. Chemical stress, physical stress (overexercise, surgery, injury), any form of shock, emotional stress, exhaustion stress, lack of sleep stress, malnutrition stress, you name it.
We have only ONE stress-response hormone - cortisol. We do not have different ones for different kinds of stress.

[Adrenaline is a hormone forced to be released by cortisol. When we get a fright, the AMOUNT of adrenaline released - is determined by the AMOUNT of cortisol we have. SO cortisol is the key. If you run out of adrenaline and have adrenal exhaustion - the real issue is still cortisol... for causing so much adrenaline to be used each time it is triggered.]
Well adding MORE glucose to a glucose-overloaded system is not useful so yes diet matters, especially carbohydrates.
Also if you run out of adrenaline due to excess cortisol releasing too much, you need to eat foods/supplements that help reduce cortisol (long list) and increase adrenaline (Short list: ascorbic acid, it B6 and pantothenic acid)
But the diet must be geared to remove stress/cortisol -
and not to *add* to the stress/cortisol (such as by mild allergy, lectins, foods that "disagree", chemical preservatives, GMO, poor nutritional balance, etc)
Yes. It can for example get rid of cortisol producing tumors, acetylate a methylated epigene related to diabetes/cortisol or methylate an acetylated epigene related to cortisol/insulin/etc, and it can help the emotional stressors that cause the cortisol............
Once the cortisol is controlled, any diet works, short of extreme excess carbs.
But controlling the cortisol is not always easy by homeopathy and I suspect we need to address it as the cause of T2D more universally.
It's not easy because cortisol destroys so much of the body - for example it destroys the thymus gland - which must be restored for health to occur. Thymus is VERY hard to restore.
I've seen full reversal of diabetes in cats with homeopathy - mostly because they are seldom victims of PTSD or overwork or emotional work stress etc as a cause, and their diabetes is almost always diet or chemical caused...both usually removable causes though the thymus damage is challenging if it is longterm. So addressing damaged thymus and damaged pancreas (cats make amyloid deposits that destroy their beta cells), plus individual aspects, leads to the right remedy ....plus diet and environment correction....and diabetes is gone.

Namaste,
Irene

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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:33 am
by Irene de Villiers
It's a proven scientific fact, but you may have a different opinion despite that :-)
Diabetes is not a nervous disorder.

Applies to homeopaths and doctors alike:-)

Do you have any evidence for your theories?
(Apart from sales hype for chromium and vanadium supplements?)
By what evidence?
It's not a fact..... It is a fact that high cortisol levels (due to high stress) cause increase need and use of these minerals.
But that is a consequence, not a cause, and has nothing to do with ability to absorb these minerals.
You have confused cause and effect.
It's not toxic.
There was one study in vitro (in a lab experiment in glass) which used massive excesses of chronium on a cell culture, and they did not like it. the chromium happened to be chromium picolinate.
That's not evidence for a therapeutic issue. Even water can kill in excess.

GTF stands for "glucose tolerance factor" which is a concept invented in the 1970s to explain why some people felt there was benefit to glucose levels from certain foods such as brewer's yeast ad broccoli. They called the unknown helper "GTF".
GTF chromium is chromium from these food sources along with whatever else is in there - but the levels form this source tend to be small - small amounts in MOST studies are shown ineffective in reducing glucose levels
But the studies showing efficacy (and safety) of chromium supplements on actual humans (not games in glass with massive overdoses) show CrP (the picolinate version) very effective to therapeutic levels, (and easier to absorb). Therapeutic levels vary by individual up to a max of 1000 micrograms. And average 600 micrograms.

You should not read anonymous junk on the internet.
Read proper research with the names and credentials of the investigators clearly stated with the opinion.

Namaste,
Irene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:49 am
by Irene de Villiers
How do you mean?
I believe the opposite - that they work together. Examples from research:
Research shows that D3 supplements INCREASE magnesium presence in meat of cows for example.
Research shows that Magnesium works at mitochondrial level with Alk Phos (a liver enzyme) to manage D3 better.
Research also shows that if magnesium is low, then D3 is quickly lost (excreted), but worse, magnesium is lost fast if D3 is low. It needs both to not lose the magnesium AND the D3.
SO they are very much hand in glove in the body - not antagonists but the opposite.
Magnesium levels have more to do with renal resorption (or failure to resorb) than with efficacy of magnesium receptors in the gut for absorption - and the resorption needs D3. Magnesium is a small molecule, readily ionized and absorbed. But the way the kidney works is to toss everything out and resorb what's important - which will exclude magnesium if something else is wrong, thus losing the small and easily lost magnesium ions.
This theory has been disproved. D3 is absorbed independently in the lower intestine at the same rate whether with food or without - and whether it is in oil or as a powder.
On the contrary - D3 is the treatment of choice for those with magnesium deficiency (an example being failure to absorb Mg such as in small bowel syndrome) - so as to INCREASE magnesium available.
[Ref: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3680484]

Are you referring to the article by Durlach almost 30 years ago titled "Speculations on hormonal controls of magnesium homeostasis: a hypothesis." - by Durlach J, Durlach V. in Magnesium journal in 1984?
If so that's not only way out of date in terms of knowledge about metabolism - it was mere speculation to begin with, and has been proved incorrect.
A low magnesium condition will *induce* a low D3 condition - always - but increasing the D3 AND the magnesium intake is required to remedy low magnesium. Increasing D3 alone, will help but not as much as increasing both. D3 certainly will not reduce Mg.

Namaste,
Irene

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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:43 am
by Irene de Villiers
Stands for "glucose tolerance factor" and implies a food source (which it is believed, may contain other things besides chromium in the food source, that might be relevant but which are unknown.)
Agree. But cinnamon helps some, makes others worse.
Cinnamon raises my glucose as it does not agree with me (a stress).
But I can use fenugreek and/or coriander instead.its own.
If you eat a high carb item right before exercise - it will give you benefits without carb issues - as te glucose generated will be used up right away.
Massive doses of antioxidants help along with Rhodiola and other cortisol-lowering items, and lots of sleep.
Until the cortisol is lowered, the glucose will stay high.
SO when ill, switch to maintaining cause (cortisol released due to stress) as the enemy.

Namaste,
Irene

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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:19 am
by healthinfo6
Irene,
On D'Adamo's blood type diet, Type O blood has cinnamon in the Neutral category, but if you are a NON-secretor, it is an AVOID.
I took the saliva test from D'Adamo and am non-secretor for Type B which makes important changes in many food categories.
For type O, there are many from Super Beneficial, Benefiial and Neutral that become AVOID if non-secretor and vice versa.
Suggest taking the relatively inexpensive saliva test to confirm and use the more recent D'Adamo diabetes paperback book for his most recent updates to all categories enhanced from original Eat Right For Your Type book.
Fenugreek and Tumeric are SUPER-beneficial for Type O but Tumeric lowers 2 levels to Neutral if Non-Secretor.
I've been experimenting with 5 different cinnamon supplements since Xmas. The researched one for diabetes has ingredient Cinnulin PF, a water extract of cinnamon. The supplement I have from Costco, Cinsulin has Cinnulin PF with Chromium Picolinate, When I first took it, it did lower blood glucose noticeably. I need to try Cinnulin PF w/o chromium, which is available, as I want to take more of it but can't tolerate more than 200mcg or so of chromium per day or inf a few days begin to get one or two oozing sores on my body.
Two other cinnamon supplements I'm using, New Chapter Cinnamon Force extract and Genceutic Naturals Organic Non-GMO Cinnamon 500mg seem also to help. All these more noticeable glucose lowering or less rising after eating than ground up cinnamon in capsules.
You may be able to tolerate Cinnulin PF vs cinnamon, just as in D'Adamo, olive oil can be beneficial while olives are avoid for same blood type.

Susan

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:24 am
by healthinfo6
Here's some "research" on Cinnulin PF, "sounds good" ;)
http://www.cinnulin.com/more_info.html
Susan

Re: Diabetic Medicines for Type-II

Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:11 am
by Irene de Villiers
Which is why I do not use it, and use coriander instead:-)
I have also proved in practice that the D'Adamo finding (a statistical one in this case) is valid for me.

ALL his findings are scientific in that he has large numbers of statistically valid data and some specific chemical reactions as well. I use the genotype findings as well.
However these are general guidelines - helpful ones - but Individuals still vary within that.

In MY view, the real differentiators are innate constitutional types (ICT for short), and the blood and genotypes are like gross categories where there are differences for specific ICTs within that..
Thanks for the idea but no it's not okay for me.

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."