Irene,
First of all I need to tell you that I only go to an allopathic doctor for diagnosis (only) so I know what is my problem. Then I seek alternative methods. But to me is obvious that some people here are wrong.
"Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like".
Allopathic doctors disagree. If they are ignorant who is to say? They call homeopaths (or others) ignorant. You call them ignorant. It seems that everybody call the others ignorants...
"In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!"
Allopathic doctors say the opposite.
To prove something can e tricky and you know this. Using some tools you can prove that something is black and using other tools you can prove that the same thing is white.
"People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape."
Exactly!
"You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking."
Obviously you have misunderstood. I didnt say that you accuse (in this email) allopaths. I mention a fact: That homeopaths are blaming allopaths for being close minded. Some of you behave to MD Hussain as homeopaths were been treated in the past: Been mocked. And the funny thing is that he could use (he didnt) the same line as homeopaths used in the past: "The truth at first is being mocked, the attacked and then is accepted". Can you see the irony of the situation?
I will tell you a REAL story about an allopath and an old healer using a method that cannot.
Before 30 years I got some strange little "moles" on my knee. Its the ones that now they use something very cold to freeze them.
The allopathic doctor said that they can do nothing and we should go to this practitioner old healers for this. Can you imagine the shocking reality? An open minded allopath sent me to the old practitioner healers. Finally I went to this old granny (or grandpa - I dont remember) who just wetted the moles with holy water blessed from the church and said one specific prayer. I should do 10 visits. After every visit I should go home and speak to no one on the way home. WEIRD EH? I had these moles for 6 months and they were becoming worse, but when I went to this old healer, they disappeared in 20 days!. I was a child back then, so dont tell me about placebo and all this because at the end of the day I didnt care if I had them or not.
A friend of mine had a similar problem for many years and before a couple of years it dissapeared in one night! This happened when he just met this old lady in the train and he didnt even believe her when she told him that he will be healed after their meeting... This night he was healed from this strange thing and he woke up "clean". Where is the science here? I think science (as we know it) is far away from this people and these healing methods...
I dont know if MD Hussain is a homeopath, a madman, a healer as these old people that i mentioned before, or a troll. I dont care to be honest. But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser...
"Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?".
Irene, it is obvious you are very ungry and you dont behave in a good manner. Keep in mind that I can attack to you also...
Namaste doesnt fit with aggression.
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, Irene de Villiers wrote:
rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
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Re: rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
Dear Dimitri
I think you are being grossly unfair to Irene.
The problem is that Md Hussain has not answered any of our questions. Hence the frustration verging on anger!
If you ask homeopaths a question about homeopathy or a health issue, you will get an answer.
As for the 'cures' you have sited, there are more powers in this universe of ours than we know about! Some people are able to access and use these powers for both good and evil.
Rgds
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dimitri rolf
Sent: 22 November 2012 13:48
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
Irene,
First of all I need to tell you that I only go to an allopathic doctor for diagnosis (only) so I know what is my problem. Then I seek alternative methods. But to me is obvious that some people here are wrong.
"Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like".
Allopathic doctors disagree. If they are ignorant who is to say? They call homeopaths (or others) ignorant. You call them ignorant. It seems that everybody call the others ignorants...
"In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!"
Allopathic doctors say the opposite.
To prove something can e tricky and you know this. Using some tools you can prove that something is black and using other tools you can prove that the same thing is white.
"People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape."
Exactly!
"You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking."
Obviously you have misunderstood. I didnt say that you accuse (in this email) allopaths. I mention a fact: That homeopaths are blaming allopaths for being close minded. Some of you behave to MD Hussain as homeopaths were been treated in the past: Been mocked. And the funny thing is that he could use (he didnt) the same line as homeopaths used in the past: "The truth at first is being mocked, the attacked and then is accepted". Can you see the irony of the situation?
I will tell you a REAL story about an allopath and an old healer using a method that cannot.
Before 30 years I got some strange little "moles" on my knee. Its the ones that now they use something very cold to freeze them.
The allopathic doctor said that they can do nothing and we should go to this practitioner old healers for this. Can you imagine the shocking reality? An open minded allopath sent me to the old practitioner healers. Finally I went to this old granny (or grandpa - I dont remember) who just wetted the moles with holy water blessed from the church and said one specific prayer. I should do 10 visits. After every visit I should go home and speak to no one on the way home. WEIRD EH? I had these moles for 6 months and they were becoming worse, but when I went to this old healer, they disappeared in 20 days!. I was a child back then, so dont tell me about placebo and all this because at the end of the day I didnt care if I had them or not.
A friend of mine had a similar problem for many years and before a couple of years it dissapeared in one night! This happened when he just met this old lady in the train and he didnt even believe her when she told him that he will be healed after their meeting... This night he was healed from this strange thing and he woke up "clean". Where is the science here? I think science (as we know it) is far away from this people and these healing methods...
I dont know if MD Hussain is a homeopath, a madman, a healer as these old people that i mentioned before, or a troll. I dont care to be honest. But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser...
"Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?".
Irene, it is obvious you are very ungry and you dont behave in a good manner. Keep in mind that I can attack to you also...
Namaste doesnt fit with aggression.
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, Irene de Villiers > wrote:
From: Irene de Villiers >
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 6:17 AM
Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like, including double blind studies with placebos in place. SO - it is only ignorance and failure to read appropriate scientific publications about homeopathy, that cause false claims by allopaths as an excuse to call homepathy unscientific.
In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!
It is also based on principles of nature which are incontrovertible.
Allopathy has no principles behind it - just experiments in specific situations for a short time - not covering anywhere near the number of possible resulting dangers of use of its "medicines" - most of which do NOT heal, but only suppress anyway.
HOW is that scientific?
HOW is that healing?
People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape.
Ignorance is not an excuse to pretend other people are incorrect.
Exactly.
WHat he has claimed so far, does not come up to the lousy scientific standards of allopathy, which at least would gave published experiments to read, some individuals treated, some not - much less does it meet the higher scientific standards of homeopathy, which actually *proves* its medicine (so that unlike allopathy it is known and PROVED in advance what sickness options the remedy can cure) AND homeopathy bases its laws on laws of nature.
You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking.
For someone to pretend to have something AND want others to use it - with zero evidence?
Hahnemann would never have dreamed of doing that. Nor any self-respecting modern homeopath.
Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?
If the shoe fits ......
Bottom line - It is very reasonable to expect some tests and studies to be done and shown to the public by the developer of a new medicine BEFORE asking anyone else to believe in, or use, said new medicine.... and that is regardless what system of medicine is involved.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
I think you are being grossly unfair to Irene.
The problem is that Md Hussain has not answered any of our questions. Hence the frustration verging on anger!
If you ask homeopaths a question about homeopathy or a health issue, you will get an answer.
As for the 'cures' you have sited, there are more powers in this universe of ours than we know about! Some people are able to access and use these powers for both good and evil.
Rgds
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dimitri rolf
Sent: 22 November 2012 13:48
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
Irene,
First of all I need to tell you that I only go to an allopathic doctor for diagnosis (only) so I know what is my problem. Then I seek alternative methods. But to me is obvious that some people here are wrong.
"Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like".
Allopathic doctors disagree. If they are ignorant who is to say? They call homeopaths (or others) ignorant. You call them ignorant. It seems that everybody call the others ignorants...
"In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!"
Allopathic doctors say the opposite.
To prove something can e tricky and you know this. Using some tools you can prove that something is black and using other tools you can prove that the same thing is white.
"People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape."
Exactly!
"You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking."
Obviously you have misunderstood. I didnt say that you accuse (in this email) allopaths. I mention a fact: That homeopaths are blaming allopaths for being close minded. Some of you behave to MD Hussain as homeopaths were been treated in the past: Been mocked. And the funny thing is that he could use (he didnt) the same line as homeopaths used in the past: "The truth at first is being mocked, the attacked and then is accepted". Can you see the irony of the situation?
I will tell you a REAL story about an allopath and an old healer using a method that cannot.
Before 30 years I got some strange little "moles" on my knee. Its the ones that now they use something very cold to freeze them.
The allopathic doctor said that they can do nothing and we should go to this practitioner old healers for this. Can you imagine the shocking reality? An open minded allopath sent me to the old practitioner healers. Finally I went to this old granny (or grandpa - I dont remember) who just wetted the moles with holy water blessed from the church and said one specific prayer. I should do 10 visits. After every visit I should go home and speak to no one on the way home. WEIRD EH? I had these moles for 6 months and they were becoming worse, but when I went to this old healer, they disappeared in 20 days!. I was a child back then, so dont tell me about placebo and all this because at the end of the day I didnt care if I had them or not.
A friend of mine had a similar problem for many years and before a couple of years it dissapeared in one night! This happened when he just met this old lady in the train and he didnt even believe her when she told him that he will be healed after their meeting... This night he was healed from this strange thing and he woke up "clean". Where is the science here? I think science (as we know it) is far away from this people and these healing methods...
I dont know if MD Hussain is a homeopath, a madman, a healer as these old people that i mentioned before, or a troll. I dont care to be honest. But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser...
"Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?".
Irene, it is obvious you are very ungry and you dont behave in a good manner. Keep in mind that I can attack to you also...
Namaste doesnt fit with aggression.
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, Irene de Villiers > wrote:
From: Irene de Villiers >
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 6:17 AM
Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like, including double blind studies with placebos in place. SO - it is only ignorance and failure to read appropriate scientific publications about homeopathy, that cause false claims by allopaths as an excuse to call homepathy unscientific.
In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!
It is also based on principles of nature which are incontrovertible.
Allopathy has no principles behind it - just experiments in specific situations for a short time - not covering anywhere near the number of possible resulting dangers of use of its "medicines" - most of which do NOT heal, but only suppress anyway.
HOW is that scientific?
HOW is that healing?
People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape.
Ignorance is not an excuse to pretend other people are incorrect.
Exactly.
WHat he has claimed so far, does not come up to the lousy scientific standards of allopathy, which at least would gave published experiments to read, some individuals treated, some not - much less does it meet the higher scientific standards of homeopathy, which actually *proves* its medicine (so that unlike allopathy it is known and PROVED in advance what sickness options the remedy can cure) AND homeopathy bases its laws on laws of nature.
You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking.
For someone to pretend to have something AND want others to use it - with zero evidence?
Hahnemann would never have dreamed of doing that. Nor any self-respecting modern homeopath.
Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?
If the shoe fits ......
Bottom line - It is very reasonable to expect some tests and studies to be done and shown to the public by the developer of a new medicine BEFORE asking anyone else to believe in, or use, said new medicine.... and that is regardless what system of medicine is involved.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Re: rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
Dear Soroush,
thanks for your polite comment, I really appreciate this.
you say: "If you ask homeopaths a question about homeopathy or a health issue, you will get an answer."
Yes of course, but I will quote the next phrase of yours who says the same thing that I would like to say: "As for the 'cures' you have sited, there are more powers in this universe of ours than we know about! "
if you ask the old lady that cured my problem or the other lady who cured my friends problem in just one night, they will tell you the same thing both of them: "I dont know my son, my grandmother (or my mother) taught me how to do it, she told me a secret pray so I can tell and heal the world". For most people this answer is a joke isnt it? Well joke or not, what they do is working! So, if I see someone moking these two old ladies, (and because I have seen this working), i will think that the ones who moke are idiots and close minded!
For all I know Md Hussain may be one of these people who can do things that we cannot explain, or he could be an asshole who just plays around. Who is to say that he/she holds the truth and Md Hussain not?
I will repeat my phrase: "But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser..."
The allopaths who attack homeopathy believe that homeopathy is crap and they moke homeopaths believing that they hold the truth. I have seen homeopathy working, so I laugh at an allopath who mokes homeopaths. Imagine that if there is a patient of MD Hussain who has been healed, how and what he/she would think about you guys moking MD Hussain...
Best regards,
Dimitri
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, finrod@finrod.co.uk wrote:
Irene,
First of all I need to tell you that I only go to an allopathic doctor for diagnosis (only) so I know what is my problem. Then I seek alternative methods. But to me is obvious that some people here are wrong.
"Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like".
Allopathic doctors disagree. If they are ignorant who is to say? They call homeopaths (or others) ignorant. You call them ignorant. It seems that everybody call the others ignorants...
"In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!"
Allopathic doctors say the opposite.
To prove something can e tricky and you know this. Using some tools you can prove that something is black and using other tools you can prove that the same thing is white.
"People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape."
Exactly!
"You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking."
Obviously you have misunderstood. I didnt say that you accuse (in this email) allopaths. I mention a fact: That homeopaths are blaming allopaths for being close minded. Some of you behave to MD Hussain as homeopaths were been treated in the past: Been mocked. And the funny thing is that he could use (he didnt) the same line as homeopaths used in the past: "The truth at first is being mocked, the attacked and then is accepted". Can you see the irony of the situation?
I will tell you a REAL story about an allopath and an old healer using a method that cannot.
Before 30 years I got some strange little "moles" on my knee. Its the ones that now they use something very cold to freeze them.
The allopathic doctor said that they can do nothing and we should go to this practitioner old healers for this. Can you imagine the shocking reality? An open minded allopath sent me to the old practitioner healers. Finally I went to this old granny (or grandpa - I dont remember) who just wetted the moles with holy water blessed from the church and said one specific prayer. I should do 10 visits. After every visit I should go home and speak to no one on the way home. WEIRD EH? I had these moles for 6 months and they were becoming worse, but when I went to this old healer, they disappeared in 20 days!. I was a child back then, so dont tell me about placebo and all this because at the end of the day I didnt care if I had them or not.
A friend of mine had a similar problem for many years and before a couple of years it dissapeared in one night! This happened when he just met this old lady in the train and he didnt even believe her when she told him that he will be healed after their meeting... This night he was healed from this strange thing and he woke up "clean". Where is the science here? I think science (as we know it) is far away from this people and these healing methods...
I dont know if MD Hussain is a homeopath, a madman, a healer as these old people that i mentioned before, or a troll. I dont care to be honest. But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser...
"Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?".
Irene, it is obvious you are very ungry and you dont behave in a good manner. Keep in mind that I can attack to you also...
Namaste doesnt fit with aggression.
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, Irene de Villiers wrote:
From: Irene de Villiers
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 6:17 AM
Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like, including double blind studies with placebos in place. SO - it is only ignorance and failure to read appropriate scientific publications about homeopathy, that cause false claims by allopaths as an excuse to call homepathy unscientific.
In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!
It is also based on principles of nature which are incontrovertible.
Allopathy has no principles behind it - just experiments in specific situations for a short time - not covering anywhere near the number of possible resulting dangers of use of its "medicines" - most of which do NOT heal, but only suppress anyway.
HOW is that scientific?
HOW is that healing?
People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape.
Ignorance is not an excuse to pretend other people are incorrect.
Exactly.
WHat he has claimed so far, does not come up to the lousy scientific standards of allopathy, which at least would gave published experiments to read, some individuals treated, some not - much less does it meet the higher scientific standards of homeopathy, which actually *proves* its medicine (so that unlike allopathy it is known and PROVED in advance what sickness options the remedy can cure) AND homeopathy bases its laws on laws of nature.
You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking.
For someone to pretend to have something AND want others to use it - with zero evidence?
Hahnemann would never have dreamed of doing that. Nor any self-respecting modern homeopath.
Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?
If the shoe fits ......
Bottom line - It is very reasonable to expect some tests and studies to be done and shown to the public by the developer of a new medicine BEFORE asking anyone else to believe in, or use, said new medicine.... and that is regardless what system of medicine is involved.
Namaste,
Irene
REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
thanks for your polite comment, I really appreciate this.
you say: "If you ask homeopaths a question about homeopathy or a health issue, you will get an answer."
Yes of course, but I will quote the next phrase of yours who says the same thing that I would like to say: "As for the 'cures' you have sited, there are more powers in this universe of ours than we know about! "
if you ask the old lady that cured my problem or the other lady who cured my friends problem in just one night, they will tell you the same thing both of them: "I dont know my son, my grandmother (or my mother) taught me how to do it, she told me a secret pray so I can tell and heal the world". For most people this answer is a joke isnt it? Well joke or not, what they do is working! So, if I see someone moking these two old ladies, (and because I have seen this working), i will think that the ones who moke are idiots and close minded!
For all I know Md Hussain may be one of these people who can do things that we cannot explain, or he could be an asshole who just plays around. Who is to say that he/she holds the truth and Md Hussain not?
I will repeat my phrase: "But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser..."
The allopaths who attack homeopathy believe that homeopathy is crap and they moke homeopaths believing that they hold the truth. I have seen homeopathy working, so I laugh at an allopath who mokes homeopaths. Imagine that if there is a patient of MD Hussain who has been healed, how and what he/she would think about you guys moking MD Hussain...
Best regards,
Dimitri
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, finrod@finrod.co.uk wrote:
Irene,
First of all I need to tell you that I only go to an allopathic doctor for diagnosis (only) so I know what is my problem. Then I seek alternative methods. But to me is obvious that some people here are wrong.
"Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like".
Allopathic doctors disagree. If they are ignorant who is to say? They call homeopaths (or others) ignorant. You call them ignorant. It seems that everybody call the others ignorants...
"In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!"
Allopathic doctors say the opposite.
To prove something can e tricky and you know this. Using some tools you can prove that something is black and using other tools you can prove that the same thing is white.
"People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape."
Exactly!
"You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking."
Obviously you have misunderstood. I didnt say that you accuse (in this email) allopaths. I mention a fact: That homeopaths are blaming allopaths for being close minded. Some of you behave to MD Hussain as homeopaths were been treated in the past: Been mocked. And the funny thing is that he could use (he didnt) the same line as homeopaths used in the past: "The truth at first is being mocked, the attacked and then is accepted". Can you see the irony of the situation?
I will tell you a REAL story about an allopath and an old healer using a method that cannot.
Before 30 years I got some strange little "moles" on my knee. Its the ones that now they use something very cold to freeze them.
The allopathic doctor said that they can do nothing and we should go to this practitioner old healers for this. Can you imagine the shocking reality? An open minded allopath sent me to the old practitioner healers. Finally I went to this old granny (or grandpa - I dont remember) who just wetted the moles with holy water blessed from the church and said one specific prayer. I should do 10 visits. After every visit I should go home and speak to no one on the way home. WEIRD EH? I had these moles for 6 months and they were becoming worse, but when I went to this old healer, they disappeared in 20 days!. I was a child back then, so dont tell me about placebo and all this because at the end of the day I didnt care if I had them or not.
A friend of mine had a similar problem for many years and before a couple of years it dissapeared in one night! This happened when he just met this old lady in the train and he didnt even believe her when she told him that he will be healed after their meeting... This night he was healed from this strange thing and he woke up "clean". Where is the science here? I think science (as we know it) is far away from this people and these healing methods...
I dont know if MD Hussain is a homeopath, a madman, a healer as these old people that i mentioned before, or a troll. I dont care to be honest. But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser...
"Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?".
Irene, it is obvious you are very ungry and you dont behave in a good manner. Keep in mind that I can attack to you also...
Namaste doesnt fit with aggression.
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, Irene de Villiers wrote:
From: Irene de Villiers
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 6:17 AM
Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like, including double blind studies with placebos in place. SO - it is only ignorance and failure to read appropriate scientific publications about homeopathy, that cause false claims by allopaths as an excuse to call homepathy unscientific.
In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!
It is also based on principles of nature which are incontrovertible.
Allopathy has no principles behind it - just experiments in specific situations for a short time - not covering anywhere near the number of possible resulting dangers of use of its "medicines" - most of which do NOT heal, but only suppress anyway.
HOW is that scientific?
HOW is that healing?
People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape.
Ignorance is not an excuse to pretend other people are incorrect.
Exactly.
WHat he has claimed so far, does not come up to the lousy scientific standards of allopathy, which at least would gave published experiments to read, some individuals treated, some not - much less does it meet the higher scientific standards of homeopathy, which actually *proves* its medicine (so that unlike allopathy it is known and PROVED in advance what sickness options the remedy can cure) AND homeopathy bases its laws on laws of nature.
You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking.
For someone to pretend to have something AND want others to use it - with zero evidence?
Hahnemann would never have dreamed of doing that. Nor any self-respecting modern homeopath.
Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?
If the shoe fits ......
Bottom line - It is very reasonable to expect some tests and studies to be done and shown to the public by the developer of a new medicine BEFORE asking anyone else to believe in, or use, said new medicine.... and that is regardless what system of medicine is involved.
Namaste,
Irene
REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Re: rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
Dear Br Soroush ,
Your complain is that I did not give any answer of your questions . I am requesting you , please put those questions once again .
NONI -- a health product , marketed well in India , it is made of an wild fruit . Seeing it lucrative , another company added something with it and developed NONI+ , and marketing it . I do not want to see the same fate of my medicine .
Since my ' Final Medicine ' is fit for everybody for every state of health , I do not want to say every details about the medicine , atleast for the time being .
My medicine is not for business only . Being a homeopathic graduate and a full time practitioner of 2-3 decades , it is my obligation to try to develop the science . Fortunately I could do it . I don't want to claim it a separate system of therapeutics as " Schussler " did .
Anything and everything can be a homeopathic medicine if it is proved and apply it on the basis of symptom similarity .
Final Medicine is diluted ( potentised ) and proved on thousands of persons and verified on not less than ten thousands patients with various types of sufferings .
Suppose , Thuja oc. produces 3 thousands symptoms but we can prescribe it successfully based on three symptoms only .
' Final Medicine ' is so broad that it produces many many thousands symptoms.
And , it has been seen that it covers every conditions to all persons . Astonishingly , also following " Hering's Law of Cure " in each patient . Now what should I do ? How I can claim that it is a different therapeutics other that homeopathy ? Please give your well thought opinion .
Thank you everybody .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
www.finalmedicine.com
--- On Thu, 22/11/12, finrod@finrod.co.uk wrote:
Irene,
First of all I need to tell you that I only go to an allopathic doctor for diagnosis (only) so I know what is my problem. Then I seek alternative methods. But to me is obvious that some people here are wrong.
"Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like".
Allopathic doctors disagree. If they are ignorant who is to say? They call homeopaths (or others) ignorant. You call them ignorant. It seems that everybody call the others ignorants...
"In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!"
Allopathic doctors say the opposite.
To prove something can e tricky and you know this. Using some tools you can prove that something is black and using other tools you can prove that the same thing is white.
"People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape."
Exactly!
"You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking."
Obviously you have misunderstood. I didnt say that you accuse (in this email) allopaths. I mention a fact: That homeopaths are blaming allopaths for being close minded. Some of you behave to MD Hussain as homeopaths were been treated in the past: Been mocked. And the funny thing is that he could use (he didnt) the same line as homeopaths used in the past: "The truth at first is being mocked, the attacked and then is accepted". Can you see the irony of the situation?
I will tell you a REAL story about an allopath and an old healer using a method that cannot.
Before 30 years I got some strange little "moles" on my knee. Its the ones that now they use something very cold to freeze them.
The allopathic doctor said that they can do nothing and we should go to this practitioner old healers for this. Can you imagine the shocking reality? An open minded allopath sent me to the old practitioner healers. Finally I went to this old granny (or grandpa - I dont remember) who just wetted the moles with holy water blessed from the church and said one specific prayer. I should do 10 visits. After every visit I should go home and speak to no one on the way home. WEIRD EH? I had these moles for 6 months and they were becoming worse, but when I went to this old healer, they disappeared in 20 days!. I was a child back then, so dont tell me about placebo and all this because at the end of the day I didnt care if I had them or not.
A friend of mine had a similar problem for many years and before a couple of years it dissapeared in one night! This happened when he just met this old lady in the train and he didnt even believe her when she told him that he will be healed after their meeting... This night he was healed from this strange thing and he woke up "clean". Where is the science here? I think science (as we know it) is far away from this people and these healing methods...
I dont know if MD Hussain is a homeopath, a madman, a healer as these old people that i mentioned before, or a troll. I dont care to be honest. But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser...
"Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?".
Irene, it is obvious you are very ungry and you dont behave in a good manner. Keep in mind that I can attack to you also...
Namaste doesnt fit with aggression.
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, Irene de Villiers > wrote:
From: Irene de Villiers >
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 6:17 AM
Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like, including double blind studies with placebos in place. SO - it is only ignorance and failure to read appropriate scientific publications about homeopathy, that cause false claims by allopaths as an excuse to call homepathy unscientific.
In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!
It is also based on principles of nature which are incontrovertible.
Allopathy has no principles behind it - just experiments in specific situations for a short time - not covering anywhere near the number of possible resulting dangers of use of its "medicines" - most of which do NOT heal, but only suppress anyway.
HOW is that scientific?
HOW is that healing?
People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape.
Ignorance is not an excuse to pretend other people are incorrect.
Exactly.
WHat he has claimed so far, does not come up to the lousy scientific standards of allopathy, which at least would gave published experiments to read, some individuals treated, some not - much less does it meet the higher scientific standards of homeopathy, which actually *proves* its medicine (so that unlike allopathy it is known and PROVED in advance what sickness options the remedy can cure) AND homeopathy bases its laws on laws of nature.
You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking.
For someone to pretend to have something AND want others to use it - with zero evidence?
Hahnemann would never have dreamed of doing that. Nor any self-respecting modern homeopath.
Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?
If the shoe fits ......
Bottom line - It is very reasonable to expect some tests and studies to be done and shown to the public by the developer of a new medicine BEFORE asking anyone else to believe in, or use, said new medicine.... and that is regardless what system of medicine is involved.
Namaste,
Irene
REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Your complain is that I did not give any answer of your questions . I am requesting you , please put those questions once again .
NONI -- a health product , marketed well in India , it is made of an wild fruit . Seeing it lucrative , another company added something with it and developed NONI+ , and marketing it . I do not want to see the same fate of my medicine .
Since my ' Final Medicine ' is fit for everybody for every state of health , I do not want to say every details about the medicine , atleast for the time being .
My medicine is not for business only . Being a homeopathic graduate and a full time practitioner of 2-3 decades , it is my obligation to try to develop the science . Fortunately I could do it . I don't want to claim it a separate system of therapeutics as " Schussler " did .
Anything and everything can be a homeopathic medicine if it is proved and apply it on the basis of symptom similarity .
Final Medicine is diluted ( potentised ) and proved on thousands of persons and verified on not less than ten thousands patients with various types of sufferings .
Suppose , Thuja oc. produces 3 thousands symptoms but we can prescribe it successfully based on three symptoms only .
' Final Medicine ' is so broad that it produces many many thousands symptoms.
And , it has been seen that it covers every conditions to all persons . Astonishingly , also following " Hering's Law of Cure " in each patient . Now what should I do ? How I can claim that it is a different therapeutics other that homeopathy ? Please give your well thought opinion .
Thank you everybody .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
www.finalmedicine.com
--- On Thu, 22/11/12, finrod@finrod.co.uk wrote:
Irene,
First of all I need to tell you that I only go to an allopathic doctor for diagnosis (only) so I know what is my problem. Then I seek alternative methods. But to me is obvious that some people here are wrong.
"Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like".
Allopathic doctors disagree. If they are ignorant who is to say? They call homeopaths (or others) ignorant. You call them ignorant. It seems that everybody call the others ignorants...
"In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!"
Allopathic doctors say the opposite.
To prove something can e tricky and you know this. Using some tools you can prove that something is black and using other tools you can prove that the same thing is white.
"People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape."
Exactly!
"You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking."
Obviously you have misunderstood. I didnt say that you accuse (in this email) allopaths. I mention a fact: That homeopaths are blaming allopaths for being close minded. Some of you behave to MD Hussain as homeopaths were been treated in the past: Been mocked. And the funny thing is that he could use (he didnt) the same line as homeopaths used in the past: "The truth at first is being mocked, the attacked and then is accepted". Can you see the irony of the situation?
I will tell you a REAL story about an allopath and an old healer using a method that cannot.
Before 30 years I got some strange little "moles" on my knee. Its the ones that now they use something very cold to freeze them.
The allopathic doctor said that they can do nothing and we should go to this practitioner old healers for this. Can you imagine the shocking reality? An open minded allopath sent me to the old practitioner healers. Finally I went to this old granny (or grandpa - I dont remember) who just wetted the moles with holy water blessed from the church and said one specific prayer. I should do 10 visits. After every visit I should go home and speak to no one on the way home. WEIRD EH? I had these moles for 6 months and they were becoming worse, but when I went to this old healer, they disappeared in 20 days!. I was a child back then, so dont tell me about placebo and all this because at the end of the day I didnt care if I had them or not.
A friend of mine had a similar problem for many years and before a couple of years it dissapeared in one night! This happened when he just met this old lady in the train and he didnt even believe her when she told him that he will be healed after their meeting... This night he was healed from this strange thing and he woke up "clean". Where is the science here? I think science (as we know it) is far away from this people and these healing methods...
I dont know if MD Hussain is a homeopath, a madman, a healer as these old people that i mentioned before, or a troll. I dont care to be honest. But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser...
"Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?".
Irene, it is obvious you are very ungry and you dont behave in a good manner. Keep in mind that I can attack to you also...
Namaste doesnt fit with aggression.
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, Irene de Villiers > wrote:
From: Irene de Villiers >
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 6:17 AM
Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like, including double blind studies with placebos in place. SO - it is only ignorance and failure to read appropriate scientific publications about homeopathy, that cause false claims by allopaths as an excuse to call homepathy unscientific.
In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!
It is also based on principles of nature which are incontrovertible.
Allopathy has no principles behind it - just experiments in specific situations for a short time - not covering anywhere near the number of possible resulting dangers of use of its "medicines" - most of which do NOT heal, but only suppress anyway.
HOW is that scientific?
HOW is that healing?
People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape.
Ignorance is not an excuse to pretend other people are incorrect.
Exactly.
WHat he has claimed so far, does not come up to the lousy scientific standards of allopathy, which at least would gave published experiments to read, some individuals treated, some not - much less does it meet the higher scientific standards of homeopathy, which actually *proves* its medicine (so that unlike allopathy it is known and PROVED in advance what sickness options the remedy can cure) AND homeopathy bases its laws on laws of nature.
You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking.
For someone to pretend to have something AND want others to use it - with zero evidence?
Hahnemann would never have dreamed of doing that. Nor any self-respecting modern homeopath.
Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?
If the shoe fits ......
Bottom line - It is very reasonable to expect some tests and studies to be done and shown to the public by the developer of a new medicine BEFORE asking anyone else to believe in, or use, said new medicine.... and that is regardless what system of medicine is involved.
Namaste,
Irene
REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Re: rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
Dear Dimitri
There is one big difference between the cases you have mentioned and that of Md Hussain.
They are not claiming what they are doing is homeopathy. So we are free to accept or reject such phenomenon.
However, Md Hussain is claiming that his 'final medicine' is homeopathic. But when we ask about proving data, or what makes is homeopathic, when there is no symptom similarity, we do not receive any answers.
For all we know, he may have discovered the final medicine that cures all ailments in every body (human and animal and perhaps even the Ash die-back which is killing the Ash trees in parts of Europe). But if I have learnt one thing, it is that if something is too good to be true, it probably isn't!
Couple of colleagues on this forum have volunteered to try this final medicine. I await their report with great anticipation.
Kindest regards
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dimitri rolf
Sent: 22 November 2012 21:23
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
Dear Soroush,
thanks for your polite comment, I really appreciate this.
you say: "If you ask homeopaths a question about homeopathy or a health issue, you will get an answer."
Yes of course, but I will quote the next phrase of yours who says the same thing that I would like to say: "As for the 'cures' you have sited, there are more powers in this universe of ours than we know about! "
if you ask the old lady that cured my problem or the other lady who cured my friends problem in just one night, they will tell you the same thing both of them: "I dont know my son, my grandmother (or my mother) taught me how to do it, she told me a secret pray so I can tell and heal the world". For most people this answer is a joke isnt it? Well joke or not, what they do is working! So, if I see someone moking these two old ladies, (and because I have seen this working), i will think that the ones who moke are idiots and close minded!
For all I know Md Hussain may be one of these people who can do things that we cannot explain, or he could be an asshole who just plays around. Who is to say that he/she holds the truth and Md Hussain not?
I will repeat my phrase: "But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser..."
The allopaths who attack homeopathy believe that homeopathy is crap and they moke homeopaths believing that they hold the truth. I have seen homeopathy working, so I laugh at an allopath who mokes homeopaths. Imagine that if there is a patient of MD Hussain who has been healed, how and what he/she would think about you guys moking MD Hussain...
Best regards,
Dimitri
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, finrod@finrod.co.uk > wrote:
From: finrod@finrod.co.uk >
Subject: RE: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 8:43 AM
Dear Dimitri
I think you are being grossly unfair to Irene.
The problem is that Md Hussain has not answered any of our questions. Hence the frustration verging on anger!
If you ask homeopaths a question about homeopathy or a health issue, you will get an answer.
As for the 'cures' you have sited, there are more powers in this universe of ours than we know about! Some people are able to access and use these powers for both good and evil.
Rgds
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dimitri rolf
Sent: 22 November 2012 13:48
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
Irene,
First of all I need to tell you that I only go to an allopathic doctor for diagnosis (only) so I know what is my problem. Then I seek alternative methods. But to me is obvious that some people here are wrong.
"Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like".
Allopathic doctors disagree. If they are ignorant who is to say? They call homeopaths (or others) ignorant. You call them ignorant. It seems that everybody call the others ignorants...
"In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!"
Allopathic doctors say the opposite.
To prove something can e tricky and you know this. Using some tools you can prove that something is black and using other tools you can prove that the same thing is white.
"People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape."
Exactly!
"You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking."
Obviously you have misunderstood. I didnt say that you accuse (in this email) allopaths. I mention a fact: That homeopaths are blaming allopaths for being close minded. Some of you behave to MD Hussain as homeopaths were been treated in the past: Been mocked. And the funny thing is that he could use (he didnt) the same line as homeopaths used in the past: "The truth at first is being mocked, the attacked and then is accepted". Can you see the irony of the situation?
I will tell you a REAL story about an allopath and an old healer using a method that cannot.
Before 30 years I got some strange little "moles" on my knee. Its the ones that now they use something very cold to freeze them.
The allopathic doctor said that they can do nothing and we should go to this practitioner old healers for this. Can you imagine the shocking reality? An open minded allopath sent me to the old practitioner healers. Finally I went to this old granny (or grandpa - I dont remember) who just wetted the moles with holy water blessed from the church and said one specific prayer. I should do 10 visits. After every visit I should go home and speak to no one on the way home. WEIRD EH? I had these moles for 6 months and they were becoming worse, but when I went to this old healer, they disappeared in 20 days!. I was a child back then, so dont tell me about placebo and all this because at the end of the day I didnt care if I had them or not.
A friend of mine had a similar problem for many years and before a couple of years it dissapeared in one night! This happened when he just met this old lady in the train and he didnt even believe her when she told him that he will be healed after their meeting... This night he was healed from this strange thing and he woke up "clean". Where is the science here? I think science (as we know it) is far away from this people and these healing methods...
I dont know if MD Hussain is a homeopath, a madman, a healer as these old people that i mentioned before, or a troll. I dont care to be honest. But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser...
"Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?".
Irene, it is obvious you are very ungry and you dont behave in a good manner. Keep in mind that I can attack to you also...
Namaste doesnt fit with aggression.
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, Irene de Villiers wrote:
From: Irene de Villiers
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 6:17 AM
Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like, including double blind studies with placebos in place. SO - it is only ignorance and failure to read appropriate scientific publications about homeopathy, that cause false claims by allopaths as an excuse to call homepathy unscientific.
In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!
It is also based on principles of nature which are incontrovertible.
Allopathy has no principles behind it - just experiments in specific situations for a short time - not covering anywhere near the number of possible resulting dangers of use of its "medicines" - most of which do NOT heal, but only suppress anyway.
HOW is that scientific?
HOW is that healing?
People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape.
Ignorance is not an excuse to pretend other people are incorrect.
Exactly.
WHat he has claimed so far, does not come up to the lousy scientific standards of allopathy, which at least would gave published experiments to read, some individuals treated, some not - much less does it meet the higher scientific standards of homeopathy, which actually *proves* its medicine (so that unlike allopathy it is known and PROVED in advance what sickness options the remedy can cure) AND homeopathy bases its laws on laws of nature.
You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking.
For someone to pretend to have something AND want others to use it - with zero evidence?
Hahnemann would never have dreamed of doing that. Nor any self-respecting modern homeopath.
Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?
If the shoe fits ......
Bottom line - It is very reasonable to expect some tests and studies to be done and shown to the public by the developer of a new medicine BEFORE asking anyone else to believe in, or use, said new medicine.... and that is regardless what system of medicine is involved.
Namaste,
Irene
REPLY TO: > only
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
There is one big difference between the cases you have mentioned and that of Md Hussain.
They are not claiming what they are doing is homeopathy. So we are free to accept or reject such phenomenon.
However, Md Hussain is claiming that his 'final medicine' is homeopathic. But when we ask about proving data, or what makes is homeopathic, when there is no symptom similarity, we do not receive any answers.
For all we know, he may have discovered the final medicine that cures all ailments in every body (human and animal and perhaps even the Ash die-back which is killing the Ash trees in parts of Europe). But if I have learnt one thing, it is that if something is too good to be true, it probably isn't!
Couple of colleagues on this forum have volunteered to try this final medicine. I await their report with great anticipation.
Kindest regards
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dimitri rolf
Sent: 22 November 2012 21:23
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
Dear Soroush,
thanks for your polite comment, I really appreciate this.
you say: "If you ask homeopaths a question about homeopathy or a health issue, you will get an answer."
Yes of course, but I will quote the next phrase of yours who says the same thing that I would like to say: "As for the 'cures' you have sited, there are more powers in this universe of ours than we know about! "
if you ask the old lady that cured my problem or the other lady who cured my friends problem in just one night, they will tell you the same thing both of them: "I dont know my son, my grandmother (or my mother) taught me how to do it, she told me a secret pray so I can tell and heal the world". For most people this answer is a joke isnt it? Well joke or not, what they do is working! So, if I see someone moking these two old ladies, (and because I have seen this working), i will think that the ones who moke are idiots and close minded!
For all I know Md Hussain may be one of these people who can do things that we cannot explain, or he could be an asshole who just plays around. Who is to say that he/she holds the truth and Md Hussain not?
I will repeat my phrase: "But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser..."
The allopaths who attack homeopathy believe that homeopathy is crap and they moke homeopaths believing that they hold the truth. I have seen homeopathy working, so I laugh at an allopath who mokes homeopaths. Imagine that if there is a patient of MD Hussain who has been healed, how and what he/she would think about you guys moking MD Hussain...
Best regards,
Dimitri
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, finrod@finrod.co.uk > wrote:
From: finrod@finrod.co.uk >
Subject: RE: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 8:43 AM
Dear Dimitri
I think you are being grossly unfair to Irene.
The problem is that Md Hussain has not answered any of our questions. Hence the frustration verging on anger!
If you ask homeopaths a question about homeopathy or a health issue, you will get an answer.
As for the 'cures' you have sited, there are more powers in this universe of ours than we know about! Some people are able to access and use these powers for both good and evil.
Rgds
Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dimitri rolf
Sent: 22 November 2012 13:48
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
Irene,
First of all I need to tell you that I only go to an allopathic doctor for diagnosis (only) so I know what is my problem. Then I seek alternative methods. But to me is obvious that some people here are wrong.
"Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like".
Allopathic doctors disagree. If they are ignorant who is to say? They call homeopaths (or others) ignorant. You call them ignorant. It seems that everybody call the others ignorants...
"In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!"
Allopathic doctors say the opposite.
To prove something can e tricky and you know this. Using some tools you can prove that something is black and using other tools you can prove that the same thing is white.
"People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape."
Exactly!
"You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking."
Obviously you have misunderstood. I didnt say that you accuse (in this email) allopaths. I mention a fact: That homeopaths are blaming allopaths for being close minded. Some of you behave to MD Hussain as homeopaths were been treated in the past: Been mocked. And the funny thing is that he could use (he didnt) the same line as homeopaths used in the past: "The truth at first is being mocked, the attacked and then is accepted". Can you see the irony of the situation?
I will tell you a REAL story about an allopath and an old healer using a method that cannot.
Before 30 years I got some strange little "moles" on my knee. Its the ones that now they use something very cold to freeze them.
The allopathic doctor said that they can do nothing and we should go to this practitioner old healers for this. Can you imagine the shocking reality? An open minded allopath sent me to the old practitioner healers. Finally I went to this old granny (or grandpa - I dont remember) who just wetted the moles with holy water blessed from the church and said one specific prayer. I should do 10 visits. After every visit I should go home and speak to no one on the way home. WEIRD EH? I had these moles for 6 months and they were becoming worse, but when I went to this old healer, they disappeared in 20 days!. I was a child back then, so dont tell me about placebo and all this because at the end of the day I didnt care if I had them or not.
A friend of mine had a similar problem for many years and before a couple of years it dissapeared in one night! This happened when he just met this old lady in the train and he didnt even believe her when she told him that he will be healed after their meeting... This night he was healed from this strange thing and he woke up "clean". Where is the science here? I think science (as we know it) is far away from this people and these healing methods...
I dont know if MD Hussain is a homeopath, a madman, a healer as these old people that i mentioned before, or a troll. I dont care to be honest. But it bothers me to see homeopaths (or homeopathy) doing to others what they have suffered in the past. The victim becomes a victimiser...
"Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?".
Irene, it is obvious you are very ungry and you dont behave in a good manner. Keep in mind that I can attack to you also...
Namaste doesnt fit with aggression.
--- On Thu, 11/22/12, Irene de Villiers wrote:
From: Irene de Villiers
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2012, 6:17 AM
Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like, including double blind studies with placebos in place. SO - it is only ignorance and failure to read appropriate scientific publications about homeopathy, that cause false claims by allopaths as an excuse to call homepathy unscientific.
In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!
It is also based on principles of nature which are incontrovertible.
Allopathy has no principles behind it - just experiments in specific situations for a short time - not covering anywhere near the number of possible resulting dangers of use of its "medicines" - most of which do NOT heal, but only suppress anyway.
HOW is that scientific?
HOW is that healing?
People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape.
Ignorance is not an excuse to pretend other people are incorrect.
Exactly.
WHat he has claimed so far, does not come up to the lousy scientific standards of allopathy, which at least would gave published experiments to read, some individuals treated, some not - much less does it meet the higher scientific standards of homeopathy, which actually *proves* its medicine (so that unlike allopathy it is known and PROVED in advance what sickness options the remedy can cure) AND homeopathy bases its laws on laws of nature.
You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking.
For someone to pretend to have something AND want others to use it - with zero evidence?
Hahnemann would never have dreamed of doing that. Nor any self-respecting modern homeopath.
Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?
If the shoe fits ......
Bottom line - It is very reasonable to expect some tests and studies to be done and shown to the public by the developer of a new medicine BEFORE asking anyone else to believe in, or use, said new medicine.... and that is regardless what system of medicine is involved.
Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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