Yes, I am sure you are right. I was profoundly sad at the end of that book because he makes it clear that you can only be fully healed if you know the exact order of events...and who can know it exactly?
Glad you don't think it's the only way!
Have you been gnashing your teeth too much, then?:):)
Liz
Elmiger is at the origin of Rudi Verspoor's Heilkunst methodology.
There are a few big problems with "going back in the exact reverse order".
First, as you said, we do not remember everything.
Then, some situations have been taken care of completely by our physiology and do not need to be treated. To do so would be unnecessary and potentially harmful.
Some situations supersede others even if they are in a different chronological order; a very traumatic event even in the far past might prevent less traumatic ones, more recent, to be expressed; those suddenly appear to everyone's surprise as soon as the older event has been dealt with.
As experience has shown me, it is good to have a timeline, as you know what could possibly be expected, but for treatment, it is a lot better, and simpler, to let the patient tell you, through his symptoms and signs, what needs to be treated now, do it, then deal with the next occurrence. I am now dealing with a lifetime of dental problems that were put on the back burner until I resolved all the other issues........and now they are back in force, demanding attention, as, hopefully, that will be my last hurdle................. I sure hope I will not have to deal with the trauma of circumcision, oh, boy........................
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Overfed with sugar as a child, very painful price to pay for that..............
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"Core remedy"--I like that term: descriptive, and not already taken!
What remedies have you found to be applicable at that "level"--a small handful such as Eizayaga assumed, or broader?
Shannon
Because of that wide variety of use of the term "constitutional" I try to abandon the use of that word.
The "genotype" constitutional I was alluding to, I now call the "core" remedy. This links with a previous discussion about a "healthy remedy"..........
Of course a healthy person does not need a remedy; but it is his "engineering" that will determine his reactions to external and internal stressors, the symptoms he develops, the pathologies and diseases he can suffer from.
Example: a core Calc Carb could be nice, laid back person, centered on his home and family, happy with a bunch of kids and pets running around, a bit padded and not very muscular, not a bright genius but a steady, reliable and confident worker, a good neighbour........you see what I mean.
Pathology would start with Calc Carb symptoms until they evolve into others outside of the sphere of action of Calc Carb and then needing a remedy to bring him back to Calc Carb, finishing with the core remedy to recenter his health...................so in flu season, instead of Oscillococcinum or Influenzinum, this healthy Calc Carb person could receive his core remedy to help keep him in good health and cope with external stressors; that is the basic reasoning behind giving a "constitutional remedy to a healthy person".
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What remedies have you found to be applicable at that "level"--a small handful such as Eizayaga assumed, or broader?
Shannon
Because of that wide variety of use of the term "constitutional" I try to abandon the use of that word.
The "genotype" constitutional I was alluding to, I now call the "core" remedy. This links with a previous discussion about a "healthy remedy"..........
Of course a healthy person does not need a remedy; but it is his "engineering" that will determine his reactions to external and internal stressors, the symptoms he develops, the pathologies and diseases he can suffer from.
Example: a core Calc Carb could be nice, laid back person, centered on his home and family, happy with a bunch of kids and pets running around, a bit padded and not very muscular, not a bright genius but a steady, reliable and confident worker, a good neighbour........you see what I mean.
Pathology would start with Calc Carb symptoms until they evolve into others outside of the sphere of action of Calc Carb and then needing a remedy to bring him back to Calc Carb, finishing with the core remedy to recenter his health...................so in flu season, instead of Oscillococcinum or Influenzinum, this healthy Calc Carb person could receive his core remedy to help keep him in good health and cope with external stressors; that is the basic reasoning behind giving a "constitutional remedy to a healthy person".
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Most of the polychrests and many of the minerals.
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Any thoughts about why Eizayaga used such a liimited group? (Five, I think?)
Most of the polychrests and many of the minerals.
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Most of the polychrests and many of the minerals.
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Nope, no idea.
I forgot to add that Tuminello's gem remedies (see his book The Twelve Jewels) seem to be very deep reaching, going into archetypes, primitive fears and elementary behaviours.
I keep kicking myself for not having had the time yet to really study his book; the few times I used his gem remedies led to profound and essential breakthroughs in treatment, not necessarily the last remedy but one that did move stuck cases very significantly.
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I forgot to add that Tuminello's gem remedies (see his book The Twelve Jewels) seem to be very deep reaching, going into archetypes, primitive fears and elementary behaviours.
I keep kicking myself for not having had the time yet to really study his book; the few times I used his gem remedies led to profound and essential breakthroughs in treatment, not necessarily the last remedy but one that did move stuck cases very significantly.
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Are there particular times or circumstances where you find it useful to use one of these rather than a "regular" remedy--or is it just when it reps out, or ?
Shannon
Nope, no idea.
I forgot to add that Tuminello's gem remedies (see his book The Twelve Jewels) seem to be very deep reaching, going into archetypes, primitive fears and elementary behaviours.
I keep kicking myself for not having had the time yet to really study his book; the few times I used his gem remedies led to profound and essential breakthroughs in treatment, not necessarily the last remedy but one that did move stuck cases very significantly.
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Shannon
Nope, no idea.
I forgot to add that Tuminello's gem remedies (see his book The Twelve Jewels) seem to be very deep reaching, going into archetypes, primitive fears and elementary behaviours.
I keep kicking myself for not having had the time yet to really study his book; the few times I used his gem remedies led to profound and essential breakthroughs in treatment, not necessarily the last remedy but one that did move stuck cases very significantly.
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They are not yet in the repertories, as far as I know, so it is a bit like you do with the Lanthanides, realising that this could be covered by that remedy and checking in the book, comparing then with what comes out from the usual repertorisation.
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Sigh, maybe I can get it for christmas... 
Can you generalize about what posology you've used with them, potency and needed repetition?
They are not yet in the repertories, as far as I know, so it is a bit like you do with the Lanthanides, realising that this could be covered by that remedy and checking in the book, comparing then with what comes out from the usual repertorisation.
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Can you generalize about what posology you've used with them, potency and needed repetition?
They are not yet in the repertories, as far as I know, so it is a bit like you do with the Lanthanides, realising that this could be covered by that remedy and checking in the book, comparing then with what comes out from the usual repertorisation.
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