Minutus

Liz:

The dictionaries define susceptibility as a lack of ability to deal with a pathogen or drug. And this is the sense in which I used it. An immune challenge is a productive event, but an immune failure is not, and obviously is a sign of dysfunction. I think that by the time one develops symptoms, the attacking agent has gotten a foot in the door. The susceptible individual will have invited it in, just like a trusting person letting in a robber.

So I don't think one has to develop a visible set of symptoms every time he is challenged. Successful challenge does not result in disease. As you say, susceptibility is key to cure, because it shows the miasmatic influence. If there were no such miasmatic influence, there would be no susceptibility, and no disease. That's not a bad thing:)

I guess I'd rather think of all of us as impaired, with the possibility of cure, than to imagine that susceptibility is some kind of normal state.
ginny

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Hi Ginny
I agree with you about the suppressive nature of a lot of treatments, but have to disagree with you on one point:)
You said:
"Susceptibility is nothing more than a harbinger of death, or, more mildly spoken, a sign of dysfunction."
Actually, we were taught at college that it is susceptibility that keeps us alive! It is a wonderful function of the immune system, bringing both flexibility and strength. .....
so the susceptibility of the Vital Force is a good thing as it a way for the body to try and heal a particular miasm. However, if we had no susceptibility, disease would just pass us by, and we could not use it to our advantage.
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So some degree of susceptibility is a necessary part of survival. What's more, it is the basis of how homeopathy works - we could not use our remedies to heal if there were no susceptibilities. A remedy works on the basis of similarity - which is another way of saying susceptibility. Because we are susceptible to a remedy, it can heal us.
Liz

Hi Ginny
Yes - I see what you're saying, but your dictionary definition is an allopathic one, a negative one, whereas susceptibility - in the homeopathic sense - is very different, something which the allopaths can't understand.
We do develop symptoms everytime we are challenged - if there is no susceptibility, there is no challenge, and the germ/microbe/virus - whatever - just passes us by.
Our susceptibility is like a vacuum - waiting to be filled, and thereby giving us a chance to deal with part of our miasmatic inheritance and move on. Just think of the childhood diseases, which prime the immune system and allow the child to mature. They fill an important role in the child's development. Without them, the immune system is incomplete - and the person also.
As for miasmatic inheritance - thank God for it! Without it, everyone would be the same. We would not have the wonderful artistry and sensitivity of Tuberculinum, the crazy, amazing creativity of Medorrhimum, the brains and focus of Syphilinum, the devotion and caring of Carcinosin etc. etc.
Miasms are good! No different from blue eyes and fair hair v. brown eyes and black hair.
You have to see the good side in all these things, not only the negative:)
Liz
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I think a lot less is known as to the secret life of the micro-world than conventional medicine would ever admit. We know it's been used against us and here we are partially at least believing their tale. Kind of like Egyptology...not correct, but at least it's 'some explanation' to most.

There is a concept that candida is actually what helps break down the body after death....and the presence of it is a sign that the person does not really want to live and be here in this crazy world, want to deal with their karma, etc. I've worked with it on that level and very effective. The susceptibility here can be purely a soul commitment/choice to want to live on this planet, and those fellas are gone, no longer needed.

Liz
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Shannon & Bob Nelson wrote:

Yes, there's a lot we don't know. But I don't find it useful to throw out everything we *do* know!

(I cured my own candida, over a period of years, by changes in diet and lifestyle, rebuilding the gut, etc. Can you say more about what approach you've successfully taken with it--are you talking about using that assumption to guide remedy choice, or something else?)

Shannon

Yes diet change and such can affect it but unless that fundamental issue is addressed it is ready to act again once there are food indiscretions and/or stress. Perhaps for you that consciousness shift occurred as well, I don't know.
I mean remedy choice (and often meditation) with the aspect I described in mind.
Liz
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Shannon & Bob Nelson wrote: