Minutus Exchanges

[Richard Nash- Shannon]

Hello Magda,
I implore you to stick it out. Believe it or not even those engaged in heated, and I will admit sometimes, uncivil debate, have much more in common than not. I for one am always excited to see this heightened level of discourse with regards to our beloved art and science.
So for what it's worth, it has been in the past a lot uglier than this and here we all are to tell about it. Yes the detractors drove some good Homeopaths away....David Little, Dr. Luc, and at times even exasperated our dear old friend Julian.
And not for nothing, it has been a long time since I have seen so much interaction from Soroush!

Best regards, Rik
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Magda" wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

? Who's been disrespecting Julian or David Little? i've only read
those names written in terms of gratitude and awe. (And missing
Julian...)

[Shannon Nelson]

Yes Joy, and when you left a few years back (and Dave around the same
time), we had an extended peaceful period. Chris and Fran (for recent
e.g.) weren't expressing unhappiness ("Hahnemann-bashing" being neither
done nor imagined), but were sharing their occasional but always
valuable insights; the "purists" were educating, and yet somehow
peacefully coexisting with, the less-pure. Welcome back.

[Fran Sheffield]

Shannon & Bob Nelson wrote:
I can recall sending one email during this period saying something to the effect that the list was hardly worth subscribing to since the leaving of some of the more knowledgable contributors who left during a period where Hahnemannian homeopathy was not being upheld and discussion about it was bogged down by people who wanted to quibble against it endlessly and pettily - I felt like leaving myself.

For a long period I have been in despair about some of the things that have been passing for homeopathy on this list but it was impossible to say much because it was as if the monkeys had taken over the temple. (and I am not calling anyone a monkey - just using an expression to indicate the state of affairs )

It seems to me that some people are calling for peace on this list but only as long as it is their type of peace - where there is tolerance for the inclusion of non-homeopathic approaches into homeopathy.

Thankfully, others are now vigorously saying that there can be no peace on a Hahnemannian list if this inclusive approach is expected - that people who want this inclusiveness should go elsewhere to a list intended for that purpose; that if this list becomes inclusive, it would have little purpose for Hahnemannian homeopaths- that it was one of the reasons why they left in the first place.

I think think there has also been a little ill-feeling, Shannon, that some who have sat for many years under some excellent teaching and sharing on the list are now the ones arguing the most strongly that homeopathy should become something different to that teaching - and that even the definition of homeopathy should be changed because THEY consider it is no longer relevant. Those who do this have got to expect a fuss.

And for the record, I enjoy vigorous debate rather than personal attacks but we obviously have a hard time achieving this sometimes as things hot up. What we need is an outside enemy to help us close ranks (just don't expect it to be on those non-homeopathic things) - where are those skeptics when you need them?
I don't know that I can claim the mantle of a 'purist educating' but I know I certainly contributed less during this period.
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Kind regards,

Fran Sheffield
Homeopathy Plus! (Tutorials - Remedies - Immunisation)
http://www.homeopathyplus.com.au
Do No Harm Initiative (Free Information on Homeopathic Immunisation)
http://www.d-n-h.org
Homeopathy for Autism (Guidelines for Treatment - Search for Practitioners)
http://www.homeopathy4autism.com

[Fran Sheffield]

In light of recent heated discussions I often shriek with laughter when Julian is remembered as being one of the more saintly members of the group.

My memories of Julian (and he was a friend) is that as well as being very generous, he could be rude, pointed, and very abrupt about things he didn't agree with. Most of us were intimidated by him - just as well most of us also loved him.

I have been wondering how some would cope about what he would have said about recent discussion.

Shannon & Bob Nelson wrote:
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Kind regards,

Fran Sheffield
Homeopathy Plus! (Tutorials - Remedies - Immunisation)
http://www.homeopathyplus.com.au
Do No Harm Initiative (Free Information on Homeopathic Immunisation)
http://www.d-n-h.org
Homeopathy for Autism (Guidelines for Treatment - Search for Practitioners)
http://www.homeopathy4autism.com

[Joy Lucas]

Well Shannon, you've violated Soroush's request already with your nasty implications but let's get the facts straight David left a long long time ago, long before I did and Minutus was even more interesting before the triumvirate (or at least the female version) opted in to spread anti Sam notions. But perhaps you were talking about knitting all that time.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

[Joy Lucas]

Well said Fran, and thanks, let's get the facts straight.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

[Joy Lucas]

He even got away with swearing, bless him Perhaps someone would have told on him and asked him to leave. He got away with all of it and most of us were more than thrilled he contributed.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/

[Shannon Nelson]

Well, beginning from a reply to this of Suriya's, but then also
continuing on with thoughts re Fran's and others':

Lyghtforce is now Homeolist, and it would take very little to revive
it, I think!
It appeared to me that the reason Homeolist went silent is that the
same people were on both lists (in large part), but Ardavan's presence
here was an added draw.

I've felt for a long time that it would have been / would be useful for
the two lists (and other lists) to differentiate themselves, so that
instead of having two lists serving the same purposes (and now only
one, trying to serve multiple purposes), we'd have two lists serving
(even if only slightly) different purposes, as was the case for a
little while.

Homeopathy Open and BeyondHomeopathy are also being under-utilized.

Personally I would like to have the benefits of *both* Organon-based
thinking and also other. So i could be (as in fact I have been for
many years) member of each of the lists that interests me, but people
who find what they consider to be non-Hahnemannian ideas offensive,
could avoid them by avoiding the broader lists. There would certainly
be loss to both sides in this, in that the cross-fertilization is IMO
very valuable--I have learned a *lot* over the years by listening to
people whose ideas and experience differed from my own, and I assume
I'm not alone in that regard.

(And I *did* think there are already Hahnemannian lists running, aren't
there? Is it really *necessary* to take over this one too?)

But, if it means that discussion can replace mudslinging, that would be
good; and if it means that mudslinging matches can be decided by
reference to the list guidelines (or in a pinch the moderator or
owner), that would be good too.

Okay, I'm going to leave this hanging...

Shannon

[Joy Lucas]

Minutus advertises itself as a Hahnemannian list. Clear for all to see.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/homeopathystudy/