Minutus

Luise
You are very right Hawthorn (Weisdorn) has been used in Germany for centuries as Heart and circulatory remedy. Pollution has diminished the Hawthorn in Germany but it is still being used with success and is NOT a food - it is by the way also used in China as weight reducing remedy also - because it strengthens the metabolism.
Gisela

Doing a quick Google, I find numerous recipes for "Hawthorne jelly"
from the berries, and one for a salad made from the young leaves and
buds. The latter is appended by a warning that eating hawthorne can be
harmful for people with heart or circulatory problems.
them as fairly bland and a little bit odd in taste, but not bad or
anything.
Shannon

Hi Irene,
Some examples:
Some years back I'd had a longstanding period of extreme "adrenal
fatigue" leading to chronic exhaustion, "irritable bowel" symptoms,
hypersensitivity to various things. When I finally got onto an
appropriate nutritional support regimen (mostly a specific B complex
and C), I felt a *little* better fairly quickly, but really
*recovering* was more of a long-term thing; my energy and stamina
recovered over a period of weeks, not immediately. That's an example
of what *I* meant by a "cumulative effect."

Altho water-soluble nutrients are not "stored" in the way that
fat-soluble ones are, you can still have greater or lesser degrees of
"saturation" in the tissues, and effects of longstanding deficiency can
take some time to correct (a "cumulative" effect).

Shannon

On Wed, May 7, 2008 9:06 am, Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:> Some examples:
Hi Sharon,
I see what you mean now. It's not that the vitamin accumulates but that
the body heals its adrenals slowly over time when the vitamin is suitably
supplied. It's that the cells of the body do not grow new healthy ones
overnight:-)
It takes time for the body to heal.

Some things can come right immediately too. For example if potassium
deficiency exists, and you take potassium, the symptoms will immediately
improve, as there is no new growth needed before improvement can be
obtained fomr presence of potassium. Any extra potassium wil be excreted.

So the "cumulative effect" term in my opinion does not apply to wate
soluble vitamins or minerals, as they do not have an increased effect over
time. Your assumption that they do, is due to the time it takes to re-grow
new adrenal cells - it's not to do with a vitamin getting increasingly
effective in that time. It mkay take a little while to get full cell
saturation - a day or so - for example if magnesium is deficinet, it will
take about a day and a half 2 afte taking the magnesium needed, to get
magnesium supplement to ALL the cells appropriately. But I hesitate to
call that a cumulative effect - it's just the time it takes for things to
get from A to B:-)

I'm more inclined to use the term "cumulative effect' when two separate
things have an additive effect - or perhaps when something DOES actually
accumulate over time - such as more than 25,000 units of Vit D3 in
*supplement* form daily.

But I now see what you were referring to:-)

Namaste,
Irene
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Very interesting information, thank you.

I usually get the patient to take the herbal tincture for 3 weeks, then take a rest for one
week. I am told that this is how herbalists work. Grace

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Yes, that's what I meant!
And I should have added, I have no idea whether that applies to
crataegus or not--I don't know what its mechanism of action is, or
whether it could make the blood pressure *too* low over time. Maybe
that last would give a clue as to whether its effect is nutritional or
medicinal, and whether its "cumulative effect" is because of something
"building up" in the body, or simply because healing takes time--I
don't know, I'm just looking to see whether my initial understanding of
it as "a food" and benign, is reconcilable with this other information.
Maybe it's not, I don't know.
Shannon

Everyone client is different, I agree some might generalize that way but I never have either. I don’t think I have ever done 3 weeks with one off? Kathy
Kathleen Ramsey M.C.S. D.D.

Naturopath, Flower Essence Practitioner, Master Herbalist
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To paraphrase Hippocrates, any food can be a remedy, any remedy can be a food.
Look at Natrum Muriaticum or Chocolate for that matter......yummy remedy.
The ultimate purpose of real medicine is to repair all damages and in doing so create independence from medications and therapies, whatever they might be; so that should be our target, no matter what form of medicine we practice.
Often it is not possible, then enhancing function is the next best thing. The final purpose being to afford the best quality of life at all levels to our patients.
Looking at remedies, most of them, if not all have all those potential actions. It is then not a matter of what the remedy DOES, but what it is aimed at doing in that specific patient.
Full circle back to individualisation, and I repeat, it is valid no matter what type of medicine is practised, including conventional, drug oriented medicine.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and comments.