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John Harvey
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Re: A kind of magic?

Post by John Harvey »

Dear Shannon,

My apologies if I wasn't being clear.

The confusion I was referring to was your confusion between definition (of homoeopathy) and variety of example (of methods illustrated by Hahnemann):

'The idea of claiming the term "homeopathy" as applying strictly and
only to those practices developed and "approved" by Hahnemann has an
appeal I can definitely relate to; after all, he *coined* the term and
invented a system to apply it, so why not let his definition be the one
that stands? But practical considerations aside (and that's quite an
elephant we are shoving into the corner), there are obviously all sorts
of philosophical problems with that approach--again, as frequently and
energetically ranted :-) about here--which edition? What about his
non-Organon practices? What about his apparently "approved" disciples
whose practices deviated--which parts do we shove out from under the
umbrella? And if it's purely a semantic thing, then it becomes pretty
much of a "who cares"...

'OTOH what if we see it as an *honor*--which I believe it is--that "our
founder" (trumpets in the background :-) ) has given us work so
broadly useful that it's given rise to all of these variations? And
from there we could specify and explore which "tools" (non-Organon
methods) are appropriate to which tasks, pitfalls, etc.

'Fighting over the terminology will not stop these other "developments",
and will not stop people from using them; it only distracts us from IMO
more useful matters and puts us into an adversarial framework which
serves no one--except perhaps the "quackbusters" and allopaths.

'Holding tight to the "purity of the teaching" is IMO a wonderful thing;
but it should not displace the fact that "the teaching" is a living
thing, in a changing world. If we want our "roots" to continue to
nourish the entire "plant" (e.g. understanding of basic principles even
among people using "variations" such as combos), all the "exclusivity"
does not IMO seem to be very useful.
'Shannon'

Without a concept of what a definition does to limit horses, you will keep calling all four-legged animals horses. It may be that somebody else here can help you understand better than I can how to understand the effect of a definition, which is to include anything it doesn't exclude and to exclude anything it doesn't include; NOT to describe in a vague, open-ended way and invite endless pointless discussion over what needed no discussion in the first instance had every participant simply opened a dictionary.

Kind regards,

John
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John Harvey
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Re: A kind of magic?

Post by John Harvey »

Dear Soroush,

Thank you kindly.

Such preparedness sounds useful, to me. And all these listed "cornerstones" are, of course, fundamental to excellent homoeopathic practice. My recent point has been that the attacks that you refer to and that Carol Boyce has documented so well have a wide variety of targets that don't need defending by us.

Luise has correctly pointed out that once the ground of battle has been identified as our adherence to the Law of Similars, we'll have an easy victory: there's little dispute there, and clinical trials will strongly back it. It's strange, then, that some homoeopaths remain determinedly unaware that the Law of Similars is the essence of homoeopathy. The only reason I have yet found for this wilful ignorance is the limited ability of so many of its practitioners to apply it successfully, leading to the desperate quest for an easier principle and the popularity of a long series of speculative "methods". But it begins to seem that some of those arguing that "Anything goes" is a method really do have no idea.

Kind regards,

John


Shannon Nelson
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Re: A kind of magic?

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Hi John,
I am not confused about the difference.
BTW, what *is* your definition? Do you go with David's definition, or
confine it to 6th ed Organon, or ??
There's nothing magic about a definition.
Definitions are made according to the convenience of the intended
audience; technical definitions are different from popular ones.
Definitions change over time.
State yours for me?
Shannon


Shannon Nelson
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Re: A kind of magic?

Post by Shannon Nelson »

"... don't need defending by us..." -- because someone else is doing
so, or because they don't relate to us, or ? Are you referring to
attacks on "alternative medicine" in general, and figuring we are
somehow immune, or am I misunderstanding?
Now I'm really confused... Who on this list has in any way divorced
homeopathy from Law of Similars?
S


Luise Kunkle
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Re: A kind of magic?

Post by Luise Kunkle »

Hi John,
But it did! Most of his followers did not accept his miasm theory and
many accused him of betraying the principles of homeopathy after
publishing the CD. The fifth Organon was a sales flop. In Germany as
well as in the USA people kept prescribing by the fourth.

This is a historical fact.

Regards

Luise
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John Harvey
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Re: A kind of magic?

Post by John Harvey »

Dear Shannon,
I don't mean to suggest that attacks on homoeopathy don't need defending. I suggest that, in defending homoeopathy, it is unnecessary to defend against attacks on practices that are inessential to homoeopathy.
I also don't meant to suggest that anybody has divorced homoeopathy from the Law of Similars; merely that they keep mistaking its essence to concern anything else as well as the Law of Similars. The only essential condition for practising homoeopathy is adherence to the Law of Similars. Not one other condition is absolutely necessary.
But it's true that that one is absolutely essential. And that does entail some other things, as many have pointed out already; reliable drug provings, for instance, and proper case-taking and some method of analysis relating the patient's symptoms to the pathogenetic (pure) materia medica.
If I can sum up your other question as: "Why needn't we defend what's unnecessary to the definition?"
Simply put: because there's no advantage in doing so.
If potency has provable existence and value, they will emerge in their own time, as long as there is no vested interest in suppressing the truth!
We can best remove the pressure on vested interests to suppress the truth of homoeopathic potency by ourselves recognising the obvious: that potency is merely a refinement, and one unnecessary to the essence of homoeopathy, the Law of Similars. We don't need to defend it. As Luise has pointed out, if we ever find the collective intelligence to shift the practice we're defending to the Law of Similars, then the field will be ours. And that is in fact what we should be defending as the one essential of our method.
Cheers --
John
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-- Carl Sagan


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