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Joy wrote:
What do you mean? Are you speaking of the potassium in the body, or
potassium presumed to have poisoned, or ?
Which of our homeopathic forebears thought that wounds cannot become
"infected", microscopic life forms cannot cause disease, and diseases
cannot be "caught"?

Dear Shannon and others, I have stayed out of this debate so far but feel
that some things need to be mooted (not sent as facts as - as we all know
there is not yet enough research to actaully support many of the theories
put forward.)
However think of it this way. Whether or not we have a virus or a bacteria
on board, whether it came to our body recently or has resided for some
time - If our body is already struggling to maintain its homoeostasis (due
to susceptiblity issues - emotional, mental or physical) the lack of toxic
clearance can tip the scales. We know for a fact that bacteria and viruses
release toxic factors into our system as part of their life cycle and by
releasing them from our own cells in cytotoxic reactions and cellular lysis
plus our own immunological products that are stimulated by the presence of
antigens or toxins. Now if our own liver/kidneys are already under load and
not clearing our own daily load of toxins (from our foods, our supplements,
our environmental agents etc etc) we are left with an ever increasing toxic
load. There are also most likely molecular interactions which may tie up or
release atoms from their 'usual' status and makeup. Therefore a 'rabies
virus' may not cause rabies but it may cause potassium to be released from
other molecules or intracellualr spaces thereby increasing the serum levels
within the body. It may then form less bioavailable molecules that also add
to the toxic load and or cause aberations in myriads of other chemical and
electrical reactions within the body - causing the 'dis-ease'.
Unless we are able to treat the bodies ability to clear itself and attempt
to reach homoeostasis the 'dis-ease' will remain. We will see its effects
anywhere and everywhere within the body depending upon the susceptibility
and which organs are trying their best to take up the slack that the liver
and kidneys are not able to deal with. Hence we often see the move to the
skin (the next organ of elimination) or the lungs (the next in line organ of
elimination) and when these cannot make ends meet we start to see the
syphylitic destructions. I know that I have (for brevity) simplified this
very much but please read between the lines and fill in the gaps with your
logical mind and see where it takes you
Regards Pauline

Hi Pauline,
You're thinking along pretty much exactly the same lines as I am, here.
With specific regard to rabies, I wouldn't want to argue the potassium
issue one way or the other, but your suggestion seems plausible enough
to me, and as to the rest of your points, I am in complete agreement.
I'll be interested to hear Sheri's and Joy's thoughts about yours--tho
am not optimistic...
Best wishes,
Shannon

The question has not been how rabies virus works in the body -we are
not talking pathophysiology here-
when even whether the virus is involved or not is being questioned ;
in rabies we are not even talking about skin and lungs or syphilitic
destruction-
One of the patients I saw die with rabies is a young girl of 10 years,
normal healthy kid, not even a regular bite, just nicked by a pup (
small teeth mark) and that was the reason they did not go for
treatment seeing that it was such a small pup and the wound so
trivial- not enough for the potassium theory or tipping the scales
business
-- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Pauline Ashford"
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Shannon-
Ultimately at the cellular level everything is potassium or sodium -
so using potassium to explain what is happening in rabies does not
really explain anything. We are not talking about what happens at the
cell level- we are talking about poisoning states-

for rabies to spread even inhaling bat secretions is enough-

Apart from getting this thru animal bites, people who work with live
rabies virus in research facilities are at risk just by exposure

Potassium is not one of the differential diagnosis of Rabies. Whether
thiocyanates are not....

If you have seen a real furious rabies case you will never mistake it
for a case of potassium poisoning whether Kali iod or Kali cyan...

The patients scream at seeing water , air, even the electric fan
starts them going into spasm, the drone of mosquitoes which are very
common in India, sends them into spasms. You should see them scream
at looking at mosquitoes...

Tetanus has similar presentation with excitability but the patients
can talk to you intelligibly and complain... whereas rabies resembles
acute psychosis- you cannot easily communicate with them...not a
picture that you forget in a hurry

Homeopathy is about giving any substance to a healthy person and
producing symptoms- these substances can be plant and animal products,
minerals - even imponderabilia-

Then why not microbes? Does this not sound illogical to even think
that people who accept that anything in the world can cause a proving
stead fastly opposing microbial causation of disease? Of course
nothing is 100% provable including the toxin and potassium theories...
at the same time anyone can be infected with a disease if sufficient
amount of the infecting agent is administered... the difference is in
the individual susceptibility....

we can produce 100% rabies or any infectious disease in any one (
including me, you, Joy and Sheri) with sufficient exposure to the
specific infective agents...

Is there anyone who does not burn with sufficient fire? At the same
time not all will react to being given Fire 30c or whatever - because
of the amount of exposure-

If a few members of the family get an infection and others do not , it
is due to individual susceptibility and amount of exposure to
infection.... no one in allopathy and certainly none in those of us in
the forum who have supported microbial aetiology , reject that there
is a terrain and susceptibility factor. You have repeatedly told this
to Sheri ( she really is NOT susceptible to this). Can anyone of these
show a single text book of medicine in allopathy that states that ther
e is nothing as individual susceptibility to disease? Funnily in
rabies one of the first treatment steps is giving rabies immune
globulin as a passive protection (just to raise the resistance for
infection to spread- so to say)

We say infection AND susceptibility contribute in the cause of
infectious diseases , Sheri and Joy say ANYTHING BUT INFECTION is the
cause of disease - that is the difference.
-- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Robert & Shannon Nelson
wrote:
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You have also got to be asking yourself about the drugs that are used
to treat so called rabies.

Not so long ago a famous footballer died - did he die from the
alcoholism he suffered from, or from the reasons he was an alcoholic,
or from the liver transplant he had, or rejection of that liver, or
from the return of the alcoholism or the final huge drug load that may
well have finally finished him off (so called intensive care). You have
to see the question mark first. Joy
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Maybe a lethal dose when the two come together, who knows, poisons are
all about chemical reactions. When I mentioned forbears I was referring
back to Allen's writing on Lyssin (sorry I wasn't clear in the post)
but i didn't say anything about infection in your edited post. Off in a
rush now to 'catch a disease'. Joy

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Well firstly we have a note to sustain the point about not enough is
known to state as facts but then goes on to say that "we know for a
fact that bacteria and viruses release toxic factors into our system as
part of their life cycle and by releasing them from our own cells in
cytotoxic reactions and cellular lysis plus our own immunological
products that are stimulated by the presence of antigens or toxins" etc
etc

So, pray tell, how to skirt around that without getting into the 2 camp
scenario again that will probably never picnic together.

I could equally take Pauline's post and claim victory for my points =
toxic load, when meeting with another toxic load = BOOM (aka the
potassium point) Joy

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I understand and accept that most of the allopathic drugs are toxic
else what am I doing here? I would not suggest anyone to go for
allopathic treatment if not absolutely a must...
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Joy Lucas wrote:
years,

And it is definitely about body chemistry (terrain). Doing study & work
with my partner on this issue and will have more to share in the future.
Just by shifting out of whack body chemistry lots can be dealt with and all
detected and guided by simple urine and saliva tests for pH, body sugars,
body ureas, body salts and more. Its an exciting time outside of allopathy
and allopathic reductionist thinking!

Empiricism lives!
Sheri

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