Re: rubric help - craves sugar at 4 pm
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:05 pm
I would find it hard to confuse Aur and nat-m, as although they have
many rubrics in common, they present so differently ( to my mind)
I would agree with Joy that the cheerful of aur will have (must have!)
obvious strings..e.g an aur business man may seem cheerful but the
atmosphere won't feel it. Their way of avoiding the real issue is to
work work work. They are intense.
Also Think of those people who, when you speak to them in the street
'appear' cheerful (put it on ) but sometimes you just glimpse as they
go their demeanour plummets back to their own preoccupation internally
( that can be nat-m'ish too ). Thier cheerfulness is more likely to be
OTT. I think of one young man I saw who had taken various drugs , who
reminded me first of Dys -co, with his anxious smile, as his
cheerfullnes was so forced it seemed, he was intense, in your face, but
terribly over cheerful about it. His eyes weren't chereful though, they
were desperate. (quite Anac too) The *feeling* I had when he was in the
room though was that inside he was looking at me through prison bars
that he was gripping with white knuckles and was sweating with the
effort of it and a frantic desperate, emotional pain beyond his
endurance, expression on his face pressed against the bars. No mention
of depression or suicide, he was loquatious and also felt slightly
dangerous, but not threatening. he did really well on aur. Another
chap I saw was very pleasant, lots of decorum, very well educated,
cheerful but through gritted teeth as it were, you could tell from his
demeanour though, that he had reached the end. In fact he seemed to me
to have a slight overall tremor. No matter how much I pressed him he
never directly spoke of his own feelings, he was behaving perfectly but
you could feel the seething inner turmoil. It was only my feeling ( but
very useful in understanding the Px) that if this pain wasn't turned
inward as it was, but outward instead, he could almost kill; ( even
though he was a lovely, kind, gentle person) therefore knowing it was
turned inward you can see the suicidal potential without asking about
it. The way he referred to his inner state was to quote Churchill
referring to his 'Black dog' that followed him. I had the feeling that
for him to directly talk about ( therefore look directly at) his own
torment would have resulted in a complete breakdown. His 'desperate
holding on' was all that was between him and disaster. He did
brilliantly on aur.
That is the state that I see in 50% of the cases needing Aur, i.e. not
the classic presentation of Aur; invariably as far as I can remember,
in men. The females I see needing it are usually much more expressive
and clearly state that they feel suicidal.
Simon
many rubrics in common, they present so differently ( to my mind)
I would agree with Joy that the cheerful of aur will have (must have!)
obvious strings..e.g an aur business man may seem cheerful but the
atmosphere won't feel it. Their way of avoiding the real issue is to
work work work. They are intense.
Also Think of those people who, when you speak to them in the street
'appear' cheerful (put it on ) but sometimes you just glimpse as they
go their demeanour plummets back to their own preoccupation internally
( that can be nat-m'ish too ). Thier cheerfulness is more likely to be
OTT. I think of one young man I saw who had taken various drugs , who
reminded me first of Dys -co, with his anxious smile, as his
cheerfullnes was so forced it seemed, he was intense, in your face, but
terribly over cheerful about it. His eyes weren't chereful though, they
were desperate. (quite Anac too) The *feeling* I had when he was in the
room though was that inside he was looking at me through prison bars
that he was gripping with white knuckles and was sweating with the
effort of it and a frantic desperate, emotional pain beyond his
endurance, expression on his face pressed against the bars. No mention
of depression or suicide, he was loquatious and also felt slightly
dangerous, but not threatening. he did really well on aur. Another
chap I saw was very pleasant, lots of decorum, very well educated,
cheerful but through gritted teeth as it were, you could tell from his
demeanour though, that he had reached the end. In fact he seemed to me
to have a slight overall tremor. No matter how much I pressed him he
never directly spoke of his own feelings, he was behaving perfectly but
you could feel the seething inner turmoil. It was only my feeling ( but
very useful in understanding the Px) that if this pain wasn't turned
inward as it was, but outward instead, he could almost kill; ( even
though he was a lovely, kind, gentle person) therefore knowing it was
turned inward you can see the suicidal potential without asking about
it. The way he referred to his inner state was to quote Churchill
referring to his 'Black dog' that followed him. I had the feeling that
for him to directly talk about ( therefore look directly at) his own
torment would have resulted in a complete breakdown. His 'desperate
holding on' was all that was between him and disaster. He did
brilliantly on aur.
That is the state that I see in 50% of the cases needing Aur, i.e. not
the classic presentation of Aur; invariably as far as I can remember,
in men. The females I see needing it are usually much more expressive
and clearly state that they feel suicidal.
Simon