Minutus

Hello,

I will tell you how I see the situation. The genius of syphilis is
usually an unbalanced genius not a truly healthy one. The grand ideas and
inspiration of psora is usually not in harmony with reality. Sycosis may be
brutally honest to the point of hurting others. There are, however, people
who react to a disease situation as a test of the soul. They do not
surrender to the miasmic negativity but unconsciously compensate with the
opposite positive qualities. These is not the symptoms of the miasms per
say, but rather, compensations of the Unconscious. These reactions are a
balancing process produced by the autonomic dynamism. They are not,
however, completely natural positive qualities as seen in the state of true
health. They often have a contrived element, an overbearing presence, or
unnaturalness about them. They are not the same things as a perfectly
spontaneous healthy state. i.e. one which is no longer miasmatic. I have
seen such compensations to the miasms many times and I wrote about this
phenomena.

For example, I presented a case where the patient had the teeth, face,
and bony structure of syphilis. She grew up in a family with alcoholism as
well as physical and sexual abuse and she was suffering from a vaginal
discharge and ovarian pains. She had all the classic symptoms of the
inherited syphilitic miasm. She felt so tainted by the negativity of her
family that she reacted by acting very pure. She felt so dirty
subconsciously that she kept herself spotlessly clean. She felt that what
happened to her was so amoral that she acted extremely ethical and
spiritual. These were compensations not a spontaneous state of health. You
could say that the syphilitic miasm made her more "spiritual, clean and
pure" but it was not a perfectly natural or a true state of health. To most
people these looked like her positive qualities. I considered them
compensations to her miasmatic disease state and prescribed on them.

Her symptoms of compulsive cleanliness and purity (out damn spot!) lead
me to Syphilinum. I gave her the nosode in 1M potency and she developed a
painless ulcer on her sexual parts! This was a clinical confirmation of the
diagnosis. Although the syphilitic miasm was inherited she developed a
surrogate chancre of the infection in her ancestors. After this her mental
and physical state went through a great change. She no longer felt so
tainted that she had to act so pure. She no longer felt so dirty that she
had to be the "cleanest person". She no longer feel so amoral she had to
act so spiritual all the time. Her discharge and ovarian pains stopped. She
became more naturally spontaneous and the true qualities of her soul shined
through without negative or positive distortions. Her daughter born after I
gave the remedy showed no signs of the syphilitic miasm in her body or
mind. The miasm had been removed from the generations.

The miasm symptoms and the compensations of the unconsciousness
energetic forces often produce opposite states. This also may manifest as a
bipolar state where the negative states and positive compensations
alternate. I do not think that the pseudo-positive qualities produced by
compensations are the same things as a true spontaneous state of health.
Granted that they are more healthy than the negative qualities which they
compensate but they are not without distortions. They are a coping
mechanism. The state of true health is not a positive compensation for
negative influences. Nevertheless, disease sometimes strengthens the
character and can contribute to evolution in the spiritual sense. Sometimes
it seems to almost destroy the soul. This is how I see this
negative-positive phenomena in the clinic. I have many more similar case
histories. So in this way, our views are similar but not the same. The true
undistorted individual does not appear until the miasm is gone and the
spontaneous state of health is reinstated. .

Sincerely, David
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."

Samuel Hahnemann

Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
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David Little © 2000

David and others,: Thanks for clarifying your view of the positive and
negative aspects of the miasms -- very interesting and useful, and not
information otherwise very available.

Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D.

David wrote:
an unbalanced genius not a truly healthy one. The grand ideas and
inspiration of psora is usually not in harmony with reality. Sycosis may be
brutally honest to the point of hurting others.

state of true health. They often have a contrived element, an overbearing
presence, or unnaturalness about them. They are not the same things as a
perfectly
spontaneous healthy state. i.e. one which is no longer miasmatic
influences.

So in this way, our views are similar but not the same. The true
undistorted individual does not appear until the miasm is gone and the
spontaneous state of health is reinstated. .

Dear David,

What you're describing are disease symptoms, maybe compensated, but disease
symptoms.
This is not what I meant.
You talk about 'The state of true health' 'The true undistorted individual'
'a perfectly
spontaneous healthy state. i.e. one which is no longer miasmatic'.
Can you show me one person like this?
Nothing in this world is perfectly healthy, we all suffer from psora, with
sycosis and syphilis to a greater or lesser degree.
The combination of psora ( + sycose, syphlilis, etc.), constitution and
temperament form the dynamic base of disease, the miasmatic predisposition
(§5)
When this predisposition is not 'triggered' we consider this as relative
healthy, when it is triggered, we see disease symptoms (§6).
When we prescribe the correct constitutional remedy we remove the symptoms
and also reduce the miasmatic predisposition.
We don't remove the miasms, but reduce them.
Even long after this remedy and removal of the secondary symptoms we see the
traits of the constitutional remedy, which would be impossible in perfect
health.
In constitutional treatment we say disease and health are two sides of the
same coin.
In disease the patient will show a pathological picture, and in (relative)
health the physiological characteristics of a remedy.
So the 'healthy symptoms' or qualities, I talk about are those belonging to
the last category.
When we include the primary miasmatic state, that is the miasmatic
predisposition as a part of the whole disease, (and we do, because we also
treat the cause). we can conclude those more or less healthy symptoms belong
also to the miasm.
Thats all I want to say.
And I don't believe our miasmatic state started in the beginning with a
psoric infection.
Perfect health is in this life impossible, this started when we turned our
back to God.
The psoric micro-organism found inviting ground in those imperfect
constitutions.
And their toxins mostly after suppression had their further weakening effect
to the vital force.
So I say it is a combination of (imperfect) constitution and infection.
Not one cause, no both!
And yes, we also must recognise the positive aspects of the miasms to
broaden our understanding.

Kind regards,
Piet Guijt

At 08:50 PM 11/30/2001 +0100, you wrote:
Of course this is not what YOU meant! I have a pretty good idea of
what you are presenting. What I explained is what *I* have seen. It is
quite valid in the clinic, expands one's understand, and are very useful in
prescribing. I'm sure my case presentation had some benefit for others,
which is my motive.
A disease is the mistunement of the vital force. The case I present
was an example of the mistuning of the vital force by the syphilitic miasm
and the removal of the miasm and its symptoms. Absolute perfection?, no. I
am NOT dealing with philosophical absolutes. I am not God and I don't
pretend to know the spiritual origin of humanity's suffering. I was dealing
with the clinical presence of the syphilitic miasm and its removal from the
patient.

After the removal of the miasm this patient no longer had the miasmatic
symptoms of syphilis and her child did not inherited them. In terms of the
syphilitic miasm she was no longer syphilitic and no longer experienced
negative symptoms or compensated with a positive coping mechanism. Her
natural qualities shined through without negative or positive distortions
of her experience of syphilis and she become more balanced. That is what my
case example demonstrated - not philosophical absolutes.
The case I presented no longer had the physical or mental symptoms of
syphilis. They were removed and her child did NOT inherited the miasm. That
is what I am speaking about. I followed the case for a several years. That
was the removal of a syphilitic miasm from the generations. That is truly a
practical and wonder thing. Even a chancre appear and healed showing the
cause was removed. This is good old fashioned homoeopathy with the reversal
of symptoms.
I have removed MANY miasms and YES the person no longer shows those
disease symptoms. I have seen the old gonorrheal discharges return with the
removal of terrible pains and suffering. I have seen old itch return with
the removal of advanced organic pathology. I have seen old chancres come
back in syphilis with the removal of mental and physical torture. When
symptoms of TB are removed and the miasm is gone and the person gains
weight and vitality. Such reversals of symptoms and the return of the
original lesion produce radical cures. Thinking of miasms as a turning away
from God is not the definition found in the Greek classics and Hahnemann's
Chronic Diseases.
If "(relative) health" is still a state of sickness then the so-called
positive qualities are only a lesser degree of negative states. Homoeopathy
means similar to the pathos (suffering) not health. Remedies do not produce
"healthy symptoms" during a proving. And they do not remove healthy states
from the ill. The term, miasm, means a pollution and symptoms are signs
that show a deviations from the state of health. Health is lack of such
symptoms.

A person gets VD so they change their life style and stop sleeping
around. This is a positive reaction of the soul to a negative miasm. They
might become more honest with themselves. Nevertheless the miasm undermines
the vital force and produces symptoms and compensations. Other people
increase negative patterns and add insult to injury. This has more to do
with individual soul than the miasms. Apparent healthy reactions are often
compensations and coping mechanisms. If something is truly positive it does
not need treatment and is not a sickness.
All predispositions and miasms are not necessary the same thing. If a
person eats bad food, lives in a harsh environment, and is very angry this
causes a predisposition that makes them more susceptible to infectious
diseases (miasms). The term miasm does not mean the exact same thing as
"predisposition" although it may contribute to predispositions. Host and
infection are not identical. There is no such thing as more or less healthy
"symptoms" in the Organon. Symptoms are signs of the mistuning of the vital
force and are by definition not healthy.
Psora did not come before the susceptibility to psora existed. This is
a religious view of miasms that Hahnemann did not suggest. Your equating
the "miasmatic state" with the fall of humanity. To you the miasmatic state
is turning one's "back to God". Hahnemann's miasms are not a spiritual
absolute that creates positive and negative state. That is the role of the
homoeomeries, which means the similar from which all things are made. Even
Kent said that the "susceptibility to psora" was spiritual decline not that
psora was the spiritual first cause. First comes susceptibility then comes
the miasms. To tell you the true I don't know how it all started. I just
work in the clinic with symptoms and their removal like in the case I
presented.
Susceptibility of the constitution (the host) are infection (miasms)
are certainly related. Susceptibility (terrain) comes first and infection
comes second. If there is no susceptibility there is no infection.
Homeopathy is first and foremost an empirical clinical art that works to
remove causes and symptoms. If I see the symptoms of syphilis harming a
patient and the remedy produces a chancre that heals and the symptoms are
removed I know the cause is removed.
I already take the positive and negative aspects of the human condition
under consideration.True positive qualities come from the innate goodness
of the Soul. The Self is the precursor to all experience. The term miasms
means pollution, taints, stain, etc. By definition they are negative
states. Sickness can test the soul and bring out positive qualities but the
human soul and the origin of its imperfections go much deeper than psora.
The treating of the miasms is not going to make an enlightened being.

As Hahnemann said - As long as humanity has existed it has been exposed
both individually and collectively to diseases of moral and physical
causes. Moral causes (spiritual, mental and emotional) come from within
from the psyche. Physical causes (trauma, deprivations, infectious miasms,
exposures, etc..) come from contact with the environment. Inheritance and
predisposition are developed from a combination of inner and outer causes
and is a manifestation of nature and nurture.

Hahnemann noted the *positive and negative qualities* of the Pulsatilla
psyche in his lecture in the Materia Medica Pura. This shows that he did
compare positive and negative qualities when accessing the constitution and
temperament of the patient. In this lecture he also used the Hippocratic
temperaments associated with the Pythagorean Homoeomeries. He clearly state
that Puls was very well adapted to the Phlegmatic temperament. This is a
fruitful area of research.

Whether one believes the source of such positive states is the miasms
or the reactions of the vital force and Soul to the disease states and
miasms is not so important to me. Only God knows for sure. I take into
account the positive, negative and compensated symptoms in my case taking
already. The positive states experienced by the patient with the miasms are
the opposite of the negative states. Why? Because Nature automatically
complements and compensates mentally and physically. That's my view.

At this point I am going to thank your for ideas. I am sure all have
benefited from the ideas presented in ways most suitable for each
individual. I am going to start to wrap up my side of the discussions. To
me it is ALL theory except the removal of suffering in the clinic. I think
everyone's ideas have been expressed well enough. Time for some other work.

Sincerely, David
Samuel Hahnemann

Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000

David wrote,
benefited from the ideas presented in ways most suitable for each
individual. I am going to start to wrap up my side of the discussions. To
me it is ALL theory except the removal of suffering in the clinic. I think
everyone's ideas have been expressed well enough. Time for some other work.

Dear David,

Thanks for this discussion, I hope you also enjoyed it.

Best wishes,

Piet Guijt

Soroush,

There is information about this subject on:
http://www.homeopathyschool.com/provings.html

regards, Piet

At 08:24 PM 12/2/2001 +0100, you wrote:
Dear Piet,

Yes, I enjoyed it very much. It helped me look at new ideas, assimilate
new angles, and clarify and enhance my own experiences. Just because I was
putting out some different views does not mean that I did not learn from
you!. I will be keeping an eye open for to the ideas raise by you in the
clinic. Thanks again.

Sincerely, David
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."

Samuel Hahnemann

Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000

what an interesting question. i have been thinking of asking people on this list about their opinions about H. Coulter's book on Aids and Syphilis. maybe now is the time and this a new theme.

tanya

Dear Piet,

new angles, and clarify and enhance my own experiences. Just because I was
putting out some different views does not mean that I did not learn from
you!. I will be keeping an eye open for to the ideas raise by you in the
clinic. Thanks again.

Sincerely, David
Thanks David,

for your kind reaction, Yes it's very good that we keep open minds, that's
what Hahnemann intended, Aude Sapere!
Thanks again, I learned a lot from you, I consider it a privilege to have
this opportunity to discussion on Minutus.

Kind regards, Piet