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I know homeopathy didnot work for one homeopath himself and he had surgery. Might be some urinary problem. Homeopathy works but not for all.
Nanga

Julian Winston wrote:
At 11:07 AM -0800 10/26/03, Nanga Pir wrote:

The "homeopathic-ness" is in the GIVING. It is a world of two pieces.
One is the pharmacies who have to (according to Federal Law) label
the bottlers in a certain way, the other is the people who practice
homeopathy.
If we don't keep the idea that homeopathy exists ONLY in the
similarity of the drug to the illness, then we forget what we are
doing.
The government doesn't care about this subtlety. Most people don't
care about it either. That's why *education* is important-- to teach
people what homeopathy is and is not.

I've met people who say "homeopathy does not work" and their proof is
in the fact that they used a "homeopathic" remedy (often a combo)
from a health store and it did not help. How do you explain to them
that the reason it did not help was because *it was not homeopathic
to their case*?

A young child with a cough tried "homeopathic cough" and still the
cough persisted. There were six remedies in the combo. All good
"cough" remedies. But the remedy the child needed was RUMEX-- and it
wasn't in the combo. ONE dose of Rumex 6X stopped the cough.
So much for homeopathy not working.

As homeopaths, we have an obligation to not belive what the
government mandates to be on the bottle, and to educate our patients
as to the principle of similarity. Until we do that, a bottle of
"homeopathic" stuff is nothing but another drug on the market.

JW

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Dear All,
We have three especial remedies proved by Hahnemann:
- Magnetis poli ambo
- Magnetis polus australis
- Magnetis polus arcticus
Once I wanted to buy these but I couldn't find them in any of the homoeopathic pharmacies! After that I recognized that these are not potentized remedies. They are the different parts of a magnet applied physically to the patient. This may be another evidence for Ardavan's statement.
Best wishes,
Feras
Ardavan Shahrdar wrote:
Dear Nanga,

I admit that potentized remedies are our best tools
for homeopathic prescription but for homeopathic
effect we do not necessarily need potentized remedies.

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At 3:48 PM -0800 10/26/03, Nanga Pir wrote:

What are you talking about? Frequencies? Electronics?
No.You need remedies. Ardavan spoke clearly about it. Stuart Close
spoke clearly about it (see my post or look at page 192 of Close's
book). Many of the early prescribers had marvelous cures with
tincture doses (i.e., crude, un-potentized).

The joy of the potentization process is that we have the ability to:
1. remove the gross poisonous effects of a substance
2. Create a remedy from material that has been considered "neutral"
(i.e. lycopodium spores)
3. create remedies from minerals where ingesting the crude material
is difficult or of no value (i.e., silver, gold, etc.)
I can't agree, and history shows it can't agree either.

JW

At 6:22 PM -0800 10/26/03, Feras Hakkak wrote:

Beg to differ.
They may be applied as physical magnets, but these were PROVED by
Hahnemann in Potency.
Mag. pol. aust. was made by exposing milk sugar to the south pole of
a strong magnet for a period of time.
Such remedies (along with "electricity" and "x-ray") are called
"imponderables."
Unfortunately Hahnemann left no instructions that could lead to
duplication, i.e.,
milk sugar (how much?)
strong magnet (what gauss?)
period of time (how long?)

Without these details, it is not possible to duplicate the manufacture.
Pharmacies DO have them-- but you have to find a pharmacy that has
them from turn of the last century stock. You were looking in the
wrong places.

JW

--- Nanga Pir wrote:
Dear Nanga,

For homeopathic effect we need to impose an artificial
disease similar to its natural disease on the
organism. If we do this, you have the homeopathic
effect. This artificial disease is not necessarily
induced by dynamized remedies. However I accept that
dynamized remedies ARE the BEST tools for this mean.

I have seen cases who had aggravations followed by
cure by merely reading the materia medica of their
simillimum!!

Regards,

Ardavan Shahrdar

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Nash described almost exactly the same case as a case from his own
practice (Testimony of the clinic).
Xenia
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Hi Nanga Pir,

You wrote:
So this is simply a matter of definition we are arguing.
Can you tell me anywhere that Hahnemann stated that only a potentized
substance can be "homeopathic" to a state? I think you are mistaken, but
would be interested in hearing your exact reason for believing this.

Thanks,
Shannon

If I am mistaken then what is the point to argue. Your judgement is out before knowing the case.
Nanga

Bob&Shannon wrote:
Hi Nanga Pir,

You wrote:
So this is simply a matter of definition we are arguing.
Can you tell me anywhere that Hahnemann stated that only a potentized
substance can be "homeopathic" to a state? I think you are mistaken, but
would be interested in hearing your exact reason for believing this.

Thanks,
Shannon
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Dear Ardavan,

Besides this, I have read somewhere, perhaps in the introduction of the
Organon, Asthma cured by applying vinegar on the leg to bring back the
suppressed eruption. The vinegar was not potentized but still it worked.
Take care.

Sincerely,
Zaidee

Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:32:29 +0000 (GMT)
From: Ardavan Shahrdar
Subject: Re: Re: cancer
Dear Nanga,
I admit that potentized remedies are our best tools
for homeopathic prescription but for homeopathic
effect we do not necessarily need potentized remedies.
Hahnemann, at first, did not use dynamized remedies
for homeopathic prescriptions. It was years after
introducing the principles of homeopathy that he
started potentizing the remedies (an alchemic
technic!!) to purify the effect and minimize the
strong aggravating effects of crude remedies.
So I cannot agree with you when you say 'Without
specifically prepared homeopathic remedies you can not
stir up the homeopathic reaction ...'
Kind regards,
Ardavan Shahrdar

--- Nanga Pir wrote: > I think
these are ontological phrases otherwise

2.11.03.
Answer to : shannonnelson@tds.net/Cancer : very good point indeed. It
probably is, because the action is actually due to water, not necesarry to the
substance itself, but to the way its molecule combines with the one of water AFTER
potentiation in typical manner ( like the one described by Hahnemann himself
and still practiced today by very few companies, on a leather book, etc, etc. ).
It makes a big practical difference in the remedy, where and how it has
actually been produced ! There are many aspects here to be discussed in detail.
Next time in another context of questioning.
Probably it is only a potentiate remedy being truly homeopathic. There are
also hoemopaths working only with low potencies C6 and C12, while being well
known that until about C22-23, there still are included original molecules in the
globulii as such ! So here, one might ask if this is already homeopathic or
what ?!?
Regarding things said before in another context, the question "cancer" itself
( would be luesinic for Hahnemann ) shows us TODAY that old classifications
do not fit anymore, at least several tuberculinic "sycotic" ( producers not
distructive )remedies being well, very cancerogenic ( Ph or people with big Ph
parts in their constitution, phosphoric salts, etc. as the one most frequent and
I do not mean only leukaemias or erythrocytaemia verra, Thuja, Ag-nitricum,
etc. ). So you may already see, that THERE IS definitely important new
knowledge and THERE ARE substantial differences. Times just have changed dramatically.
Keeping Hahnemanns point of view, we might TODAY say that Carcinosynum is a
miasm for itself. However, carcinosynum mostly develops from other
constitutions like Ph or else, here and there being genetic in whole families. Hahnemann
could not have explained this. Today we have Carcinosynum all over the place.
Please go ahead commenting, I enjoy your remarks. Thank you.
Kind regards, Dr medic V.V.Bucur ( www.dr-bucur.com).