Single remedy Manufacturing

[Simon King LCPH MARH]

I also find it interesting that those who build fences around what is
and isn't acceptable in homeopathy, paradoxically make exceptions
provided it suits them: ( i.e. exceptions with appended riders that do
make it OK after all, but only if everyone follows this new set of
rules made up by them) Sounds pretty arbitrary and inconsistent to me.

e.g. Joy's stance on only using fully proved remedies and only strictly
classically prescribing, all the while participating in speculations
about remedies use based to their position on the elemental table.
(an excerpt from just such a post - "we can do a lot of deductive
research if we are
really really sure that an individual's simillimum lies within a
certain range of rx, relying mainly on the group identity both
laterally and longitudinally and if we are that convinced we just have
to prescribe.")

I have no problem with investigating any angle to gain understanding of
a remedy but do find those that argue vehemently for one set of rules
for all, totally unconvincing when they rail against one differing
method while tacitly accepting another.
Simon

[Shannon Nelson]

Also Hahnemann, US.

[Joy Lucas]

My 'quote' was in response to Rosemary's interesting case and because I
know she is such a fine homeopath who would work and work at a case
before reaching such a difficult decision. As I said "when you are
really really sure" - this meaning just that and all the hard work that
goes in to a case before you reach a decision such as this. It seems
you don't have that responsibility as you offer advice for anyone
anywhere, regardless of their circumstances to take this or that combo
- THAT is not homeopathy.
Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
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[Simon King LCPH MARH]

I am not referring to combos, (that is a completely different
arguement and one I am not interested in) I am referring to the your
idea that only proved remedies should be available at the pharmacies.
This would exclude a host of valuable remedies, ( e.g. the bowel
nosodes and many other well known ones) so doesn't make sense to me at
all.
E.g the bowel nosodes indications are derived from clinical
indications, not regular provings, and this is the case for quite a few
remedies. Your suggestion would exclude those remedies. Should we allow
pharmacies to sell only those remedies that have had a regular proving,
or include those that have been in use so long that their clinical
indications be known, (in which case how many indications are required
to be included, some are sparse) should we include those elemental
remedies whose indications are derived from their position on the
Table?
There are many *fine* homeopaths who choose remedies not purely on
proved symptoms and sometimes remedies that are hardly provenn at all,
but do so by deductive reasoning. Is THAT homeopathy or not, and should
these remedies be allowed to be sold by the pharmacies?

You yourself state that only proved remedies should be available yet
seem to be happy to accept remedies not necessarily proved but based
on deduction.

Where would the line be drawn, what criterion will suffice, who's
deductions are worthy and who's not?
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Re: your reference to my inclusion of combos (Tissue salts) on my site.
It is my intention on my site to gradually educate, to lead the public
from a 'little' knowledge to a much better understanding. You might
not agree with the way I do it, but I am not asking you to. I am being
fairly pragmatic in my approach in that those things are for sale out
there and are unlikely to ever disappear, therefore people will be
introduced to them, better they understand their relation to homeopathy
by reading what homeopathy is in a similar context than not at all. I
am not actually claiming that the use of combos is correctly homeopathy
but go to great lengths elsewhere on my site to explain what homeopathy
correctly IS. The site also is far from finished , much of the text
and construction is regularly rewritten, it is a work in progress. I
am beginning to suspect that you are unable to discuss anything with
me without colouring it with what you like or dislike on my site.
Simon

[Joy Lucas]

I have always made a distinction between formally proved rx and those
that have extensive clinical references (emphasis on extensive). But
yes, I would stick my neck out and say that we should only be using
properly proved remedies and to back this up the homeopathic world
should be always conducting provings - not only on new remedies but
also those that have had partial or poorly conducted provings, as well
as remedies that have been in use for a long time but as yet have had
not formal proving. For me that would put an end to this dilemma and it
would provide us with some more wonderful extensive confirming materia
medica. I also think we could be better homeopaths for it as well - the
search for the simillimum, which is what it is all about, could be made
for straightforward.

I think the homeopathic world needs this kind of research so as to
quash irresponsible use of unproven potentised rx. If the pharmacies
want to produced potentised rubber bands or the vibrations of a washing
machine then so be it as long as they have had formal provings. I
really think the homeopathic world needs to be more scientific in this
approach.

The fact that we have to fall back on deductive research occasionally
is because this isn't happening in controlled circumstances. The
pharmacies themselves could conduct many of these provings. Needless to
say the ones I contacted regarding selling unproved potentised rx have
not responded at all.

My last words on this you are getting personal.
Joy

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[Simon King LCPH MARH]

I entirely agree with everything you say here actually.
It is not my intention to get personal, I am only commenting on what I
observe.

Simon

[Patty or John Polhemus]

Thank you for all your suggestions and comments on a good manufacturer. The concern that brought my original question was this; I have to wonder if the increased sale and demand of combinations will cause these manufacturers to concentrate on combos to the point that they will neglect the integrity of the singles.

Also, because of the path of distribution that these combinations are taking I am very nervous about the reputation of homeopathy as a whole and of the effects the long term use without proper instructions and knowledge will play on the general public. Case-in-point, my introduction to homeopathy was with a teething combination remedy for my infant son. I was lead to believe that this product was completely safe, that I could keep using it till I felt he was no longer in need. There were no instructions except to take every 4 to 6 hours. This lead me to the use of several other combinations. Again with no idea as to what I was doing. I did find the suggested relief from their use.

But is this truly homeopathy??? This was almost 2 decades ago. Today I am finding combinations in so many new places. Once in a while I will call a distributor (not manufacturer) of combos and ask about this and as yet not a single one knows anything about what they are selling. Just that the product will do what the label says. A couple of these combos contain 200 potencies in the mix.

I feel that it is in all of our best interest if we could do what we can to nix the demand for these combinations. Try to keep them out of the hands of the inexperienced. What do all of you think?

Thanks
Patty

[Patty or John Polhemus]

Thank you for all your suggestions and comments on a good manufacturer. The concern that brought my original question was this; I have to wonder if the increased sale and demand of combinations will cause these manufacturers to concentrate on combos to the point that they will neglect the integrity of the singles.

Also, because of the path of distribution that these combinations are taking I am very nervous about the reputation of homeopathy as a whole and of the effects the long term use without proper instructions and knowledge will play on the general public. Case-in-point, my introduction to homeopathy was with a teething combination remedy for my infant son. I was lead to believe that this product was completely safe, that I could keep using it till I felt he was no longer in need. There were no instructions except to take every 4 to 6 hours. This lead me to the use of several other combinations. Again with no idea as to what I was doing. I did find the suggested relief from their use.

But is this truly homeopathy??? This was almost 2 decades ago. Today I am finding combinations in so many new places. Once in a while I will call a distributor (not manufacturer) of combos and ask about this and as yet not a single one knows anything about what they are selling. Just that the product will do what the label says. A couple of these combos contain 200 potencies in the mix.
I feel that it is in all of our best interest if we could do what we can to nix the demand for these combinations. Try to keep them out of the hands of the inexperienced. What do all of you think?

Thanks
Patty

[singleremedy]

Thank you for all your suggestions and comments on a good
manufacturer. The concern that brought my original question was
this; I have to wonder if the increased sale and demand of
combinations will cause these manufacturers to concentrate on combos
to the point that they will neglect the integrity of the singles.
Also, because of the path of distribution that these combinations
are taking I am very nervous about the reputation of homeopathy as a
whole and of the effects the long term use without proper
instructions and knowledge will play on the general public. Case-in-
point, my introduction to homeopathy was with a teething combination
remedy for my infant son. I was lead to believe that this product
was completely safe, that I could keep using it till I felt he was
no longer in need. There were no instructions except to take every 4
to 6 hours. This lead me to the use of several other combinations.
Again with no idea as to what I was doing. I did find the suggested
relief from their use.
But is this truly homeopathy??? This was almost 2 decades ago. Today
I am finding combinations in so many new places. Once in a while I
will call a distributor (not manufacturer) of combos and ask about
this and as yet not a single one knows anything about what they are
selling. Just that the product will do what the label says. A couple
of these combos that I looked into were 200.
I feel that it is in all of our best interest if we could do what we
can to nix the demand for these combinations. Try to keep them out
of the hands of the inexperienced. What do all of you think?
Thanks
Trish
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[Kannan A]

I agree with trish, Ofcourse single remedy has its own
role to play, I am practicing with single remedy for
the past years.
Dr.A.Kannan MD(hom)
www.homoeodoctor.com

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