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Maybe we can spent a week or maybe a month or so on one stage.
Then to start with we could get a list of all remedy's that had a
proving. Then everyone who has info about a certain remedy could just
post or give a website. When it is clear in the subject that it is
lets say 'stage 1: Natrium Phosphoricum' then you would get a thread
in the archives of Minutus where everything is always available for
everyone. Well someting like that.
Annemieke
Minerals
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Kerry Lawson
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Re: Minerals
Hello, would it be a good idea for someone to collate all the information
and then it could be placed on the Minutus website (with the list owner's
permission) and then those people who are interested could download it as a
pdf file, for example. Thank you. Kerry
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Re: Minerals
Lots of good suggestions!
It makes a lot of sense to go with one stage at a time -- great idea! That might (or might not) make it easier to actually understand a bit better Scholten's hypothesis about the essence of each stage.
I think the discussions would be most useful and interesting if we were willing first to assemble some primary data on which to base them: cases, rubrics, proving themes.
Regarding salts, I think Scholten's way of proceeding, starting with the basic remedy each time, makes a lot of sense, from a standpoint of understanding the essence of each stage and mineral. (I have to admit when I saw Andy's list of Natrum salts I was instantly intimidated
) -- although it was fascinating to actually see how many there are! (Thanks, Andy).
So if we, for instance, started with stage 8, and compared Ferr-met with Plutonium, that would be fascinating.
This would logically lead us to group 15 next -- Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Arsenicum, Antimonium, Bismuth (another interesting grouping). And before going further, again, logically, it would make sense to look at Ferr-ar and Ferr-p.
From there, it would make sense to look at Group 16 (oxygen, acids, Sulph, Sel, Tell) or else group 11 (Cupr, Arg, Aur -- Cupr-p, Arg-n)....
In creating his "family sensations," Sankaran did some fascinating computerized repertory searches to find what the remedies in each family shared. I would think it would be interesting to do the same sort of thing with the Periodic Table stages. Scholten describes his lists of attributes, but it would also be interesting to see for ourselves (and would probably make the results stick better in our minds).
Most interesting, too, would be studying cases -- at least a couple from the literature, but also, hopefully, at least a couple from our group. What would we see in common in comparing several cases for each remedy? What stands out, if we compare cases, as the clinical signs that could alert us to consider each remedy?
Annemieke, what would you think about proceeding in this way? How would you go about collecting and presenting the data? What deadline would you set? Once we had the data assembled, people who were interested in the discussion could request the file via download, and then we could formulate the questions we'd like to discuss, and do so.
I'd be happy to volunteer to do the computer search for Stage 8, for rubrics common to Ferr-met and Plut-nit (There are no rubrics for Plut-met, so we'll eventually have to tease out the separate attributes of Stage 8 and Stage 15 - nitrogen), along with a summary of Scholten's attributes for Stage 8. (Would they match??? Stay tuned!)
Do we have volunteers to search for a couple of interesting published cases for each remedy in EH? in another program? in seminar notes? Does anyone have a Ferr-met or Plut-nit case of his or her own? Can someone find the main proving themes and most important keynote rubrics from provings of each remedy? (There'd be some really interesting historic research, I assume in Chronic Disease and Materia Medica Pura, for Ferrum.).
Rosemary
It makes a lot of sense to go with one stage at a time -- great idea! That might (or might not) make it easier to actually understand a bit better Scholten's hypothesis about the essence of each stage.
I think the discussions would be most useful and interesting if we were willing first to assemble some primary data on which to base them: cases, rubrics, proving themes.
Regarding salts, I think Scholten's way of proceeding, starting with the basic remedy each time, makes a lot of sense, from a standpoint of understanding the essence of each stage and mineral. (I have to admit when I saw Andy's list of Natrum salts I was instantly intimidated
) -- although it was fascinating to actually see how many there are! (Thanks, Andy). So if we, for instance, started with stage 8, and compared Ferr-met with Plutonium, that would be fascinating.
This would logically lead us to group 15 next -- Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Arsenicum, Antimonium, Bismuth (another interesting grouping). And before going further, again, logically, it would make sense to look at Ferr-ar and Ferr-p.
From there, it would make sense to look at Group 16 (oxygen, acids, Sulph, Sel, Tell) or else group 11 (Cupr, Arg, Aur -- Cupr-p, Arg-n)....
In creating his "family sensations," Sankaran did some fascinating computerized repertory searches to find what the remedies in each family shared. I would think it would be interesting to do the same sort of thing with the Periodic Table stages. Scholten describes his lists of attributes, but it would also be interesting to see for ourselves (and would probably make the results stick better in our minds).
Most interesting, too, would be studying cases -- at least a couple from the literature, but also, hopefully, at least a couple from our group. What would we see in common in comparing several cases for each remedy? What stands out, if we compare cases, as the clinical signs that could alert us to consider each remedy?
Annemieke, what would you think about proceeding in this way? How would you go about collecting and presenting the data? What deadline would you set? Once we had the data assembled, people who were interested in the discussion could request the file via download, and then we could formulate the questions we'd like to discuss, and do so.
I'd be happy to volunteer to do the computer search for Stage 8, for rubrics common to Ferr-met and Plut-nit (There are no rubrics for Plut-met, so we'll eventually have to tease out the separate attributes of Stage 8 and Stage 15 - nitrogen), along with a summary of Scholten's attributes for Stage 8. (Would they match??? Stay tuned!)
Do we have volunteers to search for a couple of interesting published cases for each remedy in EH? in another program? in seminar notes? Does anyone have a Ferr-met or Plut-nit case of his or her own? Can someone find the main proving themes and most important keynote rubrics from provings of each remedy? (There'd be some really interesting historic research, I assume in Chronic Disease and Materia Medica Pura, for Ferrum.).
Rosemary
Re: Minerals
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wrote:
were willing first to assemble some primary data on which to base
them: cases, rubrics, proving themes.
Hi Rosemary, all.
I think that would be a good way to start.
Maybe we can start in May and do a stage for a month.
Looking for totality is maybe not the most importend thing here, but
finding a way that everyone can agree with.
There is so much information, that it is almost impossible to 'see
thru the trees the forrest anymore' (don't know if that is an
expression in English
Personally I like the periodic table a lot.
I see it as the globe, it gives you a certain distance.
And then when you decide where you want to go, you buy a map of that
part and find every streetcorner.
So first what do you all say, will May do and what stage are we to
explore?
Annemieke
wrote:
were willing first to assemble some primary data on which to base
them: cases, rubrics, proving themes.
Hi Rosemary, all.
I think that would be a good way to start.
Maybe we can start in May and do a stage for a month.
Looking for totality is maybe not the most importend thing here, but
finding a way that everyone can agree with.
There is so much information, that it is almost impossible to 'see
thru the trees the forrest anymore' (don't know if that is an
expression in English
Personally I like the periodic table a lot.
I see it as the globe, it gives you a certain distance.
And then when you decide where you want to go, you buy a map of that
part and find every streetcorner.
So first what do you all say, will May do and what stage are we to
explore?
Annemieke
Re: Minerals
Hi,
It looks really interesting to discuss mineral materia medica, but it seems to me that there should be a goal in mind, not just an outpouring of all the material anyone has access to on a remedy, even though sometimes that can be helpful too.
What could be helpful to me is if as a group we could work towards developing a list of around 15 "redline" symptoms for the remedies discussed, including mind, generals and particulars, to try to help keep the remedy in mind. In addition, what I would be really interested in is hearing group members' experiences in prescribing these remedies in practice.
Vera
tjelie wrote:
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary C Hyde PhD"
wrote:
were willing first to assemble some primary data on which to base
them: cases, rubrics, proving themes.
Hi Rosemary, all.
I think that would be a good way to start.
Maybe we can start in May and do a stage for a month.
Looking for totality is maybe not the most importend thing here, but
finding a way that everyone can agree with.
There is so much information, that it is almost impossible to 'see
thru the trees the forrest anymore' (don't know if that is an
expression in English
Personally I like the periodic table a lot.
I see it as the globe, it gives you a certain distance.
And then when you decide where you want to go, you buy a map of that
part and find every streetcorner.
So first what do you all say, will May do and what stage are we to
explore?
Annemieke
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It looks really interesting to discuss mineral materia medica, but it seems to me that there should be a goal in mind, not just an outpouring of all the material anyone has access to on a remedy, even though sometimes that can be helpful too.
What could be helpful to me is if as a group we could work towards developing a list of around 15 "redline" symptoms for the remedies discussed, including mind, generals and particulars, to try to help keep the remedy in mind. In addition, what I would be really interested in is hearing group members' experiences in prescribing these remedies in practice.
Vera
tjelie wrote:
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary C Hyde PhD"
wrote:
were willing first to assemble some primary data on which to base
them: cases, rubrics, proving themes.
Hi Rosemary, all.
I think that would be a good way to start.
Maybe we can start in May and do a stage for a month.
Looking for totality is maybe not the most importend thing here, but
finding a way that everyone can agree with.
There is so much information, that it is almost impossible to 'see
thru the trees the forrest anymore' (don't know if that is an
expression in English
Personally I like the periodic table a lot.
I see it as the globe, it gives you a certain distance.
And then when you decide where you want to go, you buy a map of that
part and find every streetcorner.
So first what do you all say, will May do and what stage are we to
explore?
Annemieke
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Re: Minerals
Doing Plutonium is a grand idea, though IMHO it might be better to work our
way through the periodic table. There is a progression there, not only in
Scholten's work but in the thinking of Jayesh Shah and Sankaran as well. If
we start with heavier metals, we'll miss that aspect.
Peace,
Cinnabar
way through the periodic table. There is a progression there, not only in
Scholten's work but in the thinking of Jayesh Shah and Sankaran as well. If
we start with heavier metals, we'll miss that aspect.
Peace,
Cinnabar
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Re: Minerals
Doing Plutonium is a grand idea, though IMHO it might be better to work
our
way through the periodic table. There is a progression there, not only
in
Scholten's work but in the thinking of Jayesh Shah and Sankaran as well.
If
we start with heavier metals, we'll miss that aspect.
Peace,
Cinnabar
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I noticed in the Intro to Luc de Scheppers book Homeopathy and the
Periodic Table, that "my purpose in writing this book was to see how I could
connect the laws of homeopathy with Jan Scholten's statements in his book
Homeopathy and the Elements, and to answer the question " is it homeopathy?"
as it applies to his work. A second goal was to establish the practical use
of the Periodic Table in relation to the provings."
Re this 2nd goal (the 1st goal being another topic entirely), the rems he
has included in his book are the ones that have provings and only those. He
has evaluated them by group and by period.
So, here is another source of info - provings and clinical verification.
Robyn
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our
way through the periodic table. There is a progression there, not only
in
Scholten's work but in the thinking of Jayesh Shah and Sankaran as well.
If
we start with heavier metals, we'll miss that aspect.
Peace,
Cinnabar
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I noticed in the Intro to Luc de Scheppers book Homeopathy and the
Periodic Table, that "my purpose in writing this book was to see how I could
connect the laws of homeopathy with Jan Scholten's statements in his book
Homeopathy and the Elements, and to answer the question " is it homeopathy?"
as it applies to his work. A second goal was to establish the practical use
of the Periodic Table in relation to the provings."
Re this 2nd goal (the 1st goal being another topic entirely), the rems he
has included in his book are the ones that have provings and only those. He
has evaluated them by group and by period.
So, here is another source of info - provings and clinical verification.
Robyn
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Re: Minerals
Hi all
Here is a proposal.
Maybe we can get started with stage 8 and see if it will work.
Then we can start with stage 1 in June, stage 2 in July etc.
In stage 8 we have:
Ironserie: Ferrum
Silverserie: Ruthenium
Lanthanideserie: Samarium
Goldserie: Osmium
Actinideserie: Plutonium
Ruthenium and Samarium had no official proving I think, so that
leaves us with the Ferrum compounds, Osmium and Plutonium Nitricum.
Maybe we can take the following remedy's:
Ferrum Aceticum
Ferrum Arsenicosum
Ferrum Bromatum
Ferrum Iodatum
Ferrum Metallicum
Ferrum Muriaticum
Ferrum Phosphoricum
Ferrum Sulphuricum
Osmium Metallicum
Plutonium Nitricum
Then from every remedy:
Proving
Materia Medica
Repertorium rubrics
Cases
Then we would have 40 items than could be researched.
If someone who wants to do one, would let everyone know in April, we
could get the postings in the first week of May.
eg
Stage 8 Ferr-Met Rep
or
Stage 8 Plut-Nit MM
The second week of May we could get additions and the third week we
could try to get a summary.
Maybe that would be compact enough to discuss them in the last week,
and in the meantime we could get a new list for stage 1 in June.
Well what do you say.
Annemieke
Here is a proposal.
Maybe we can get started with stage 8 and see if it will work.
Then we can start with stage 1 in June, stage 2 in July etc.
In stage 8 we have:
Ironserie: Ferrum
Silverserie: Ruthenium
Lanthanideserie: Samarium
Goldserie: Osmium
Actinideserie: Plutonium
Ruthenium and Samarium had no official proving I think, so that
leaves us with the Ferrum compounds, Osmium and Plutonium Nitricum.
Maybe we can take the following remedy's:
Ferrum Aceticum
Ferrum Arsenicosum
Ferrum Bromatum
Ferrum Iodatum
Ferrum Metallicum
Ferrum Muriaticum
Ferrum Phosphoricum
Ferrum Sulphuricum
Osmium Metallicum
Plutonium Nitricum
Then from every remedy:
Proving
Materia Medica
Repertorium rubrics
Cases
Then we would have 40 items than could be researched.
If someone who wants to do one, would let everyone know in April, we
could get the postings in the first week of May.
eg
Stage 8 Ferr-Met Rep
or
Stage 8 Plut-Nit MM
The second week of May we could get additions and the third week we
could try to get a summary.
Maybe that would be compact enough to discuss them in the last week,
and in the meantime we could get a new list for stage 1 in June.
Well what do you say.
Annemieke