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Re: Essence help?

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:59 pm
by Dale Moss
You have my vote, Joy. The first rule should be to figure out what needs to
be fixed, and work from that. Otherwise, it's too hard to see the forest
for the trees.

Peace,
Cinnabar

Re: Essence help?

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:39 pm
by dusty1197
Joy wrote:

rx to the

*** I agree that this is where the primary trouble lies. I've seen
cases, for example, where, despite an excellent similarity in all of
the important aspects, a practitioner will not rx Tub because a
child does not have a hairy back. It does seem to relate to the
attempt to match the pt to the remedy.

Toni

Re: Essence help?

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 4:18 am
by dusty1197
Joy, would you mind discussing this point a bit further? :)

You wrote:
build a

*** What needs to be cured? If we ask the client, s/he invariably
cites a physical complaint or whatever it is that s/he finds most
uncomfortable or aesthetically displeasing. Of course, we know that
these manifestations, while relevant, are not at the center of the
destabilization. So, naturally, as homeopaths, our understanding of
what needs to be "cured" is not eczema or fibromyalgia or Addison's,
etc., but rather that which destabilized the living force and caused
it to generate symptoms in its efforts to maintain homeostasis.
Therefore, the ranking of symptoms must carefully take into
consideration those factors that best define the destabilizing
process so as to obliterate it. To do that, homeopaths have devised
all manner of analytical methods and repertorial techniques, some of
which I admire, others that simply baffle me >:~\ Some insist that
mentals are of paramount importance, others reflect that mentals can
be misleading and it's better to emphasize generalities. Some
include locals if they are intense and/or persistent, while others
for the most part ignore them. Some claim that to capture the
topmost layer, one must consider mainly the most recent symptoms,
others suggest that it is those symptoms which are most persistent
or which predominate that take the highest ranking, regardless of
when they appeared. So what is your -- and others -- understanding
and how do you arrange the hierarchy when seeking that which to
prioritize?

Toni

Re: Essence help?

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:12 pm
by J Lucas
To me it IS the presenting complaint that is the driving force of the case.
It is what the client is coming to see you about and it is this, and all it
encompasses, that needs to be cured. The presenting complaint represents the
WHOLE case and is often at the centre of the case as well. I have no
understanding why anyone would want to be messing with the presenting
complaint, whether it is physical, mental or emotional.

People develop physical pathology (and mental and emotional) due to their
susceptibility. Susceptibility IS the destabilizing process as you call it.

I build hierarchy by drawing a line through the case ­ above the line is
what pertains to the case vis what needs to be cured, and this is all
represented by the presenting complaint and includes causation if known and
all the other support structures. By support structures I mean that which
prevents the individual from getting well and is drawn from all planes ­
mental, physical and emotional ­ if necessary. Below the line is other
characteristic information that stands apart from the case but is
nonetheless of interest. This could be healthy aspects of the clients
lifestyle but has a high degree of curiosity about it, e.g. an unusual
profession ­ not part of the case but not to be ignored either.

Joy

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on 3/2/05 3:17 am, dusty1197 at dusty1197@yahoo.com wrote:
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Re: Essence help?

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:02 pm
by dusty1197
Thank you, Joy, for your reply. I can't agree entirely on one point
in that you feel susceptibility alone *is* the destabilizing
process. I do see your point in that statement, but feel that
susceptibility in conjunction with a disease force combine to
destabilize the living force. I feel that susceptibility by itself
is part of a state of being that incorporates several factors,
including miasmic influence and individual constitution, which
together suggest the patterns that illness will take when
manifesting. But without a dynamic force to unsettle the living
force and alter the state, susceptibility alone is like an accident
waiting for the right conditions to make it happen.

I like your hierarchy technique. It leaves nothing out. Thank you
for describing it :)

Toni

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Re: Essence help?

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:28 pm
by J Lucas
Just to round this discussion off ­ I would always say that the disease
force, as you call it, along with miasmatic influence and individual
constitution, are all dependent on susceptibility ­ someone will succumb
accordingly.

Take away susceptibility and you have no disease?

Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 3/2/05 8:02 pm, dusty1197 at dusty1197@yahoo.com wrote:
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Re: Essence help?

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:46 am
by Rochelle Marsden
Just looking through this again as I am seeing him next week again and have just thought about Bamba A. Has anyone given it to a man??? He has a problem with his back. He tells me he is feeling straighter now but there is still tension in his back that needs to be released!! I wonder? He has been phoning in regularly and he thinks he has improved. I will have to see what I think when I see him.

Rochelle