Re: remedy / rubric help pls
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:03 am
This is surely the problem with other Rxs MM's too, in that the
delusions represented are only a sample of those possible. It doesn't
mean that the MMs are inaccurate , just incomplete. The question is how
incomplete therefore are the rest of the proving Sx?
Talking of the 'feel' of remedies, I will always remember that the
effects of ingesting a whole carton of Potters Asthma mixture, as a
close friend of mine did, are very similar to the states some of the
patients were in at the psychiatric hospital that I worked at.
I remember how clearly it struck me that my friend's hallucinations
that he was in some transaction with an unseen person were identical to
a patient I had recently observed. Unfortunately he then fell
backwards perfectly straight with no apparent awareness he was falling.
Until that point he had seemed quite contented, but this fall caused
him to vomit and subsequently have difficulty breathing as he had half
inhaled some but couldn't understand that in his state. This caused him
to panic. He was taken to hospital kicking and cursing to have his
stomach pumped. It took six of us to keep him still on the operating
table!
If I remember correctly it said 'Datura somnivorum' was the main
active ingredient. Without looking it up I don't know whether the Sx
picture would have that contented hallucinated state followed by panic
generally or not, but I suspect it would as the mixture was banned
shortly after, having been overindulged in by many a youngster and
exposeed in the papers. The main point made in the news apart from its
hallucinogenic properties was that it raised the heartbeat to around
180 and gave its subject superhuman strength.
Not dissimilar then to fly agaric that the vikings used to go 'berserk'?
Despite the incompleteness of some MM I remember being surprised how
accurate the description of the effects of a certain mushroom were.
Someone had from somewhere procured a compendium of natural highs. I
apologise that I cannot remember exactly what the mushroom was ( very
likely fly agaric) but we had picked every type going locally and the
house was full of them drying; some hanging up, some on shelves, some
on the TV some over the stove etc. perhaps someone will know from the
following description. I had previously tried several to no effect -
this was different. I think it was made into a tea but we might have
smoked it, I seem to remember not wanting to take the tea as it stuck
me as less safe (bloody dangerous more like). Anyway, (roughly
remembered) the book described how one would feel giggly for 10 mins,
agitated for 15 minutes, have a sensation of wellbeing for the next 20
minutes, and then some other state. What I do remember very clearly is
the accuracy of the time that these states changed, it was uncanny, the
state changed quite suddenly and check the watch..- exact! So in that
description of its effects it appeared complete.
On cannabis, Re: the antidote to acute ill effects of cannabis (fear)
I always found alcohol to be very effective. I remember a nurse friend
who phoned me at midnight. She had smoked a bong and now was convinced
she was going to die. Why? Because as a nurse she knew that just before
people have a heart attack they often need to evacuate their bowels. As
she needed to go to the loo she concluded this was a sign that she was
about to have a heart attack. I told her to drink a large measure of
whatever spirit she could find in as palatable form as she liked as
quickly as possible, which she did as we stayed on the phone. within 10
minutes or so she was giggling with relief. I had learned this one
previously from personal experience:-). So how about considering
alcohol in potency for the young chap currently under discussion? Just
a thought.
regards
Simon King
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delusions represented are only a sample of those possible. It doesn't
mean that the MMs are inaccurate , just incomplete. The question is how
incomplete therefore are the rest of the proving Sx?
Talking of the 'feel' of remedies, I will always remember that the
effects of ingesting a whole carton of Potters Asthma mixture, as a
close friend of mine did, are very similar to the states some of the
patients were in at the psychiatric hospital that I worked at.
I remember how clearly it struck me that my friend's hallucinations
that he was in some transaction with an unseen person were identical to
a patient I had recently observed. Unfortunately he then fell
backwards perfectly straight with no apparent awareness he was falling.
Until that point he had seemed quite contented, but this fall caused
him to vomit and subsequently have difficulty breathing as he had half
inhaled some but couldn't understand that in his state. This caused him
to panic. He was taken to hospital kicking and cursing to have his
stomach pumped. It took six of us to keep him still on the operating
table!
If I remember correctly it said 'Datura somnivorum' was the main
active ingredient. Without looking it up I don't know whether the Sx
picture would have that contented hallucinated state followed by panic
generally or not, but I suspect it would as the mixture was banned
shortly after, having been overindulged in by many a youngster and
exposeed in the papers. The main point made in the news apart from its
hallucinogenic properties was that it raised the heartbeat to around
180 and gave its subject superhuman strength.
Not dissimilar then to fly agaric that the vikings used to go 'berserk'?
Despite the incompleteness of some MM I remember being surprised how
accurate the description of the effects of a certain mushroom were.
Someone had from somewhere procured a compendium of natural highs. I
apologise that I cannot remember exactly what the mushroom was ( very
likely fly agaric) but we had picked every type going locally and the
house was full of them drying; some hanging up, some on shelves, some
on the TV some over the stove etc. perhaps someone will know from the
following description. I had previously tried several to no effect -
this was different. I think it was made into a tea but we might have
smoked it, I seem to remember not wanting to take the tea as it stuck
me as less safe (bloody dangerous more like). Anyway, (roughly
remembered) the book described how one would feel giggly for 10 mins,
agitated for 15 minutes, have a sensation of wellbeing for the next 20
minutes, and then some other state. What I do remember very clearly is
the accuracy of the time that these states changed, it was uncanny, the
state changed quite suddenly and check the watch..- exact! So in that
description of its effects it appeared complete.
On cannabis, Re: the antidote to acute ill effects of cannabis (fear)
I always found alcohol to be very effective. I remember a nurse friend
who phoned me at midnight. She had smoked a bong and now was convinced
she was going to die. Why? Because as a nurse she knew that just before
people have a heart attack they often need to evacuate their bowels. As
she needed to go to the loo she concluded this was a sign that she was
about to have a heart attack. I told her to drink a large measure of
whatever spirit she could find in as palatable form as she liked as
quickly as possible, which she did as we stayed on the phone. within 10
minutes or so she was giggling with relief. I had learned this one
previously from personal experience:-). So how about considering
alcohol in potency for the young chap currently under discussion? Just
a thought.
regards
Simon King
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