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Re: Hyperparathyroid

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:12 am
by Shannon Nelson
You mean further diluted rather than just from the bottle of liquid? She
has had no problem with any of her doses, wet or dry -- and very good
response to a few remedies (particularly sepia, which has had a longlasting
benefit on the M/E level). Because she finds it a big deal to add anything
to her routine, and to remember/get around to it, I have found it urgently
important not to complicate anything beyond what I have to! I ***WISH*** I
could use high potencies on her and just get by the need for frequent
repetition, but clearly that would not be a good plan, sigh... Usually,
tho, she only needs to repeat about twice weekly in order to keep up
improvement.

I have wondered whether some of the remedies might simply need longer time
and/or more aggressive dosing to do their work, but haven't felt the
confidence I would want in order to ramp up dosing past what is *clearly*
appropriate. ???

on 8/25/04 2:32 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

Re: Hyperparathyroid

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:16 am
by andyh
Shannon,
I forgot to remark also that the French researcher Louis Kervran
(Book-- Biological Transmutations) found that (in his thesis)-- the
biological organism actually appears to do a transmutation of elements.
In the case of Calcium and Silica, he did an experiment with laying
hens in which he denied them Calcium indefinitely--- expecting to see
eggshell failure after a while---but it did not appear. However, when
he denied them Silica, the eggshells subsequently became problematical
or non-formed, even though Calcium is their primary constituent.

So there is a relation between these two elements which goes beyond
conventional chemical understanding re: their use in biological
organisms. So a derangement in calcium metabolism in a person in a
silica resonant state would not be a shocking situation. But that just
an idea--rx must be confirmed semiologically of course.

Best again,
Andy

Re: Hyperparathyroid

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:33 am
by Shannon Nelson
Yes, interesting ideas! The "transmutation" idea has always sounded to me
like hogwash (smile), but who knows... But as far as the hen thing, I can
say that when *our* hens do not have their oyster shell to peck at (which I
believe is rather pure calcium?), their shells do get wonky, so I wonder
whether his hens are different from ours??? Well, actually I simply wonder
how on earth he reached that conclusion that is so different from my
observation? Anyone know any more?

Shannon
on 8/25/04 5:15 PM, andyh at andyh@mcn.org wrote:

Re: Hyperparathyroid

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:35 am
by Rochelle
By a Water Potency I mean dissolving 1 pillule in 10 ml of mineral water and adding a couple of drops of Vodka (the nearest we in UK can get to EverClear is it?) to preserve it. The patient then succusses 5 times and takes 5 drops. They succuss before every dose. I don't do LMs but do this instead if I want to give a low dose daily. However I have also used this method in a 200C potency daily for a couple of months in one case and cleared all her emotional problems that wouldn't clear with 1 dose repeated monthly and I was sure I had the correct remedy. I might also use this method with someone on allopathic medication.

All the best
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

Re: Hyperparathyroid

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:47 am
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Simon,

Yep, calc-p is the only remedy mentioned (*anywhere*, so far as I've found)
in connection with hyperparathyroidism. There just doesn't seem to be much
written about it at all, other than surgery-related sites and physiology
courses. But, I'd love to hear what you saw in your case -- do you recall
how long she took the remedy for (how long it took to cure), what her
subjective results were and how soon, and whether she had other complaints,
or only this one? Did she have labwork and do you remember what her PTH
readings were?

I'm not even clear just what the specific symptoms are of this disease, or
of hypercalcemia in general. Can you or anyone help me briefly with that?

Shannon
on 8/25/04 3:19 AM, Simon King at sk2004@ntlworld.com wrote:

Re: Hyperparathyroid

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:50 am
by Robyn
Hi Shannon

Here is a list of symptoms for hyperparathy. which may be useful for you to
weed out the disease totality from the constitutional totality
List of symptoms of Hyperparathyroidism: The list of symptoms mentioned in
various sources for Hyperparathyroidism includes:

No symptoms

Loss of calcium from bones due to increased blood calcium levels

Mild forms of the condition have relatively mild symptoms:

Vague symptoms
Weakness
Fatigue
Depression
Aches

Severe forms have other symptoms:

Loss of appetite
Nausea
Vomiting
Constipation
Abdominal pain
Excessive thirst
Excessive urination
Bone pain
Muscle aches
High blood pressure
Confusion
Emotional behavior
Impaired thinking
Impaired memory
Delirium
Stupor
Coma
Thinning bones
Risk of fractures
Hypercalcemia (elevated blood calcium levels)
Symptoms of Hyperparathyroidism: A person with hyperparathyroidism may have
severe symptoms, subtle ones, or none at all. Increasingly, routine blood
tests that screen for a wide range of conditions including high calcium
levels are alerting doctors to people who, though symptom-free, have mild
forms of the disorder.
When symptoms do appear, they are often mild and nonspecific, such as a
feeling of weakness and fatigue, depression, or aches and pains. With more
severe disease, a person may have a loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting,
constipation, confusion or impaired thinking and memory, and increased
thirst and urination. Patients may have thinning of the bones without
symptoms, but with risk of fractures. Increased calcium and phosphorous
excretion in the urine may cause kidney stones. Patients with
hyperparathyroidism may be more likely to develop peptic ulcers, high blood
pressure, and pancreatitis. 1

More symptoms of Hyperparathyroidism: In addition to the above information,
to get a full picture of the possible symptoms of this condition and its
related conditions, it may be necessary to examine symptoms that may be
caused by complications of Hyperparathyroidism, underlying causes of
Hyperparathyroidism, associated conditions for Hyperparathyroidism, risk
factors for Hyperparathyroidism, or other related conditions.
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Re: Hyperparathyroid

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:56 am
by Shannon Nelson
Hm, interesting! I still don't understand this method, particularly when
used with high potency -- I need to take David's course!!!! Can you explain
why it's okay to give 200c daily when it is done in this way? Is it purely
because of the succussion before each dose?

So you feel that this would make a 6c potency more effective, compared with
few drops from the undiluted bottle (6c) taken twice weekly (or whatever
interval has her repeating just before the effects of the dose wear off,
which has usually been twice weekly)?

Shannon
on 8/25/04 5:34 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

Re: Hyperparathyroid

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:08 am
by Rochelle
When the Water Potency is succussed it takes the potency up very slightly so that the risk of proving symptoms is alleviated. I have never found it a problem. We were taught this at college with a low potency but doing it with a 200 potency was suggested to me by the homeopath (and I have seen her write on this list occasionally) who sat in my clinic and watched me take cases for my Registration for the Society of Homeopaths. I was dubious but it worked well. I am have used it for children with constipation who are taking Lactulose and Senna. At the moment I have a child taking 5 drops every other day who is now off the Senna but still on the Lactulose. The stools are now not painful and when they become more frequent than the Thursday and Sunday they seem to be now (improved from weekly) we will start cutting out the Lactulose. The Rx is the indicated constitutional Rx.
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

Re: Hyperparathyroid

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:06 am
by andyh
*** It is a radical idea, oui. I don't know if anyone has specifically
looked into it further--Kervran lived in the early-mid twentieth
century, if I recall. But, if one also takes into account the
experience of Anthroposophy and BD farmers (empirical experience since
the 1920's when the results meant viable crops or not)-- there is some
fundamental relation between Calcium and Silica in organisms which has
to do with the fruiting of soft tissue(Calcium) or the laying down of
the "skeletal" structures (Silica). In plants the "skeleton" relates
to stem rigidity ( fibrous plant material--made up of various mineral
incorporations). In humans it is bone--made of Calcium phosphate or
variations on that compound. If plants are not developing, the BD
farmer is going to promote silica by applying an energetic spray. If
plants are not fruiting, the farmer promotes calcium via another
energetic spray.

It is a bit of a Yin-Yang relation parallel. We know that Calc is
fundamentally soft (eg limestone gets easily eaten away by acid),
Silica is fundamentally very hard (sand is erosion resistant)--there is
a similar alchemical understanding obtained by the remedy types in
homeopathic typology, of course.

So, in a case of parathyroid dysfunction, the regulation of Calcium is
affected. But calcium is a primary constituent of bone, (not soft
tissue) in the human. BUT- the polar end member of the calcium-silica
continuum is silica, which has to do with rigidity. In the Schuessler
"biochemic" system, Silica has to do with bone, nail and connective
tissue integrity.

So, there are clues here which could substantiate a deranged calcium
metabolism in a client needing the rx Silica (determined semiologically
or otherwise confirmed as the optimal and "key" resonant totality).

But these are not new ideas, only afternoon musings. If you rule out
silica in the case, then they are relatively moot. If you have not
investigated silica, that would be a good idea IMO.
*** A matrix of calcium carbonate--organically derived.

their shells do get wonky, so I wonder
*** Well, nothing like empiricism to prove or disprove reported
results, which must be reproducible! However, you would need to do
the converse experiment (eliminate silica, a bit more difficult)--in
order to show the difference in importance of those two dietary
components. As well, there are other variables here--hen variety,
length of time of deprivation, etc.

As I recall, it was Silica which Kervran thought (from his controlled
experiments) was the *greater* controlling variable in shell morphology
and integrity ("wonkiness" as the Wisconsin term) than Calcium. The
interesting point if I recall was that chickens receiving *plenty* of
calcium could not muster shells if they were deprived of silica. This
had no (obvious) chemical explanation at the time (and may well still
be lacking that even now?), so Kervran posited a transmutational one.
There very well could be some biochemical metabolic reason for the
result. But, IF silica in the diet controls the structure of calcium
eggshells, then that agrees with the Steinerian idea of the role of
Silica in organismic systems. In humans, a silica metabolic
derangement could cause a problem with calcium deposition or erosion
(eg osteoporosis, etc). If the rx is silica, silica has marked
affinity for glands, produces tumors, etc, --but the abstract ideas I
present here are one step back from those manifestations.

To be really scientific, if one could eliminate Silica in one's
henhouse, and *compare* that separately in time with elimination of
Calcium, then one would have more than anecdotal rebuttal to those
published results from Kervran's experiments doing the latter
procedure. Chickens would have to be isolated radically in
non-concrete pens in order to do any of these experiments, since they
peck everything.

I'm going to go scramble some eggs :-)

AH
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Re: Hyperparathyroid

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:14 am
by Shannon Nelson
Terrific!
I assume that if the person takes only the first dose and stops, that they
will progress pretty much the same as if they had taken a dry dose -- except
for a slower and gentler commencement? Or does the high level of dilution
mean that it *needs* to be repeated more frequently, do you know?
on 8/25/04 6:07 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote: