Minutus

Hi Joy,

I'm not sure who I got this information from, not proving info.... but here it is:
Arsenicum bromide
All we know of this remedy is from Dr. Th. Clemens
(Deutsche Clinic, March, 1859) translated into English in 1888 by Samuel Lilienthal, & republished in Anshutz.

Its entry in other MM - (Blackwood, Boericke, Clarke, Hansen, Lilienthtal, Mathur, Murphy, Pulford, Vermeulen’s Condordant, & Vithoulkas)
Basically all parrot this source, in several cases erroneously attributing the observations to Anshutz (the editor) rather than to Clemens.
Clemens’ preparation was described as:
R.,Arsen, albi. Depurat. Pulv., Kali carb. E Tartar. 1 dram, coque-cum-Aqua destil. Lb. ½ ad perfect.
Solutionem refriger., adde aqua destil. Q.s. ut fiat solutio 12 oz, Dein adde Brom. Pur. 2 drahm.
This solution, which during first eight days is frequently shaken, becomes colourless in the fourth week, and is then ready for use.”
His rationale for employing this preparation is,
“I will now give my reason for choosing Bromine as a combination.
The study of mineral waters is an old pet of mine; many of them contain Arsenic in combination with Bromine, and are all well known for their roborating and alternating qualities.”
(Interestingly, Lilienthal describes this remedy as “Mineral spring of Ashe Co., N. C.”)
There has been no proving, and J H Clarke honors the clinical empiricism on which its use had been based only with the fragmentary entry in his Dictionary:
Description
- Bromide of Arsenic.
- As Br3.
Clinical
- Acne.
- Diabetes.
Characteristics
- “Acne rosacea, with violet papules on the nose.
- Diabetes mellitus (Hansen).

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Joy Lucas wrote:
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Thanks Lynn, I have most of this and always good to get correct attributions.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://www.streetcollege.co.uk

If I have mis-understood, please accept my apologies!

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr. DHMS
Sent: 23 August 2010 07:50
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Diabetes
Soroush!

There is nothing in my mail as to confirm what you balmed me (Combinition practice).
Yes as for Ars-Brom, I give it at single daily dose bases. 1 drop in a glassful of water to be taken for one time a day.

Dr.

--- On Sat, 8/21/10, finrod@finrod.co.uk wrote:
From: finrod@finrod.co.uk
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Diabetes
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 8:56 AM
Dear DHMS
How do you follow up with your patient's prescription after having given them an un-proved combination?
(For your information Hahnemann discounted such practice!)
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr. DHMS
Sent: 21 August 2010 06:17
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Diabetes
Ars-Brom Q is normally available in 3CH or 4CH=Q. It is a wonderful remedy for the use of daily bases without any damage. Each drug is a poison what to talk of Ars brom. This is a homeopath who will make use of a poison as a remedy.

And yes there are many medicines for diabetes and one cannot claim to be 100% each time. Complicated cases are there difficult to handle.

Dr.

--- On Fri, 8/20/10, elham mohajer wrote:
I don't want to be impolite to anyone, but suggesting 9 medicinies as
a cocktail for diabetes is a bit too much. Specially considering one
of the remedies suggested is Ars-bromQ a strong poison, which if used
for sometime will result in permenant damage and death. In fact we
cannot even get such remedies as Ars-brom Q and ArsQ in India.

Have treated many cases of diabetes I can say the treatment plan for
diabetes can be divided into three parts. Finding the constitutional
remedy. Finding the specific remedy and finding the auxiliary remedy
if needed. Most good Homoeopaths know how to find the constitutional
remedy. It is really not that difficult if you know your remedies
well. So I will not get into that. Here simply the prescription
depends on the mental and general symtoms of the patient.

But sometimes specially if the disease is too far advanced the
constitutional remedy will either not work or even the symptoms
calling for the remedy may not be there. Here you need to find a
specific remedy first before going to the constitutional remedy. But
the choice of the specific remedy depends on symptoms and you can not
have a fixed formula for everybody. Here the most important thing to
look for is the combination of symptoms. For example we have a
patient with diabetes and Insomnia and maybe flatulance and you can
precribe Uran-nit. Another patient has diabetes with pain in right
shoulder and maybe an aversion to eggs and you might consider
something like Ferr-mur. Ars-brom may be needed at times if the
patient has acne along with diabetes, diabetes with gastritis in a
patient who caanot sleep on his back may call for acet-acid, diabetes
with gastritis and pain in knees may call for nat-p. Gastritis with
arthritis where the pains are worse from motion may call for lactic
acid, with skin disease szygium so on and so forth. One specific
remedy which nobody uses is Ars-s-fl here the patient is chilly and
fastidious desires sweets and has aversion to fat. The list goes on
and on.

But diabetes is a disease with many complications here again
Homoeopathy can be quite useful. For example if a part is heading
towards gangrene remediues such as Ars or Secale can come in. For
diabetic nephropathy we have remedies such as Urea, Terebinth,
Cup-ars, Vanadium etc etc.

For neuropathy there are again a few remedies such as Acon-ferox, Ph-ac etc.

There are more than 150 remedies for diabetes that I know of. Each
having an indication.

Having said all this I will also say this is one disease where the LM
potency works much better than the single dose. Specially when giving
specific remedies.

I will also have to say not all cases can be cured with Homoeopathy.
I know people claim 100 percent cure of diabetes with Homoeopathy - I
don't buy that. Insulin dependent diabetics hardly ever get cured
with Homoieopathy.

Best regards
Elham
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I did not see any proving of this drug uptill now, but this is a wonderful remedy. I use it on clinical results and it works.

Dr.

--- On Mon, 8/23/10, Joy Lucas wrote:
Soroush!
There is nothing in my mail as to confirm what you balmed me (Combinition practice).
Yes as for Ars-Brom, I give it at single daily dose bases. 1 drop in a glassful of water to be taken for one time a day.

Dr.

--- On Sat, 8/21/10, finrod@finrod.co.uk > wrote:

You're welcome, any time. Let's continue for goodness of mankind with open mind.

Dr.

--- On Mon, 8/23/10, finrod@finrod.co.uk wrote:
Soroush!

There is nothing in my mail as to confirm what you balmed me (Combinition practice).
Yes as for Ars-Brom, I give it at single daily dose bases. 1 drop in a glassful of water to be taken for one time a day.

Dr.

--- On Sat, 8/21/10, finrod@finrod.co.uk wrote:
From: finrod@finrod.co.uk
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Diabetes
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 8:56 AM
Dear DHMS
How do you follow up with your patient's prescription after having given them an un-proved combination?
(For your information Hahnemann discounted such practice!)
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr. DHMS
Sent: 21 August 2010 06:17
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Diabetes
Ars-Brom Q is normally available in 3CH or 4CH=Q. It is a wonderful remedy for the use of daily bases without any damage. Each drug is a poison what to talk of Ars brom. This is a homeopath who will make use of a poison as a remedy.

And yes there are many medicines for diabetes and one cannot claim to be 100% each time. Complicated cases are there difficult to handle.

Dr.

--- On Fri, 8/20/10, elham mohajer wrote:
I don't want to be impolite to anyone, but suggesting 9 medicinies as
a cocktail for diabetes is a bit too much. Specially considering one
of the remedies suggested is Ars-bromQ a strong poison, which if used
for sometime will result in permenant damage and death. In fact we
cannot even get such remedies as Ars-brom Q and ArsQ in India.

Have treated many cases of diabetes I can say the treatment plan for
diabetes can be divided into three parts. Finding the constitutional
remedy. Finding the specific remedy and finding the auxiliary remedy
if needed. Most good Homoeopaths know how to find the constitutional
remedy. It is really not that difficult if you know your remedies
well. So I will not get into that. Here simply the prescription
depends on the mental and general symtoms of the patient.

But sometimes specially if the disease is too far advanced the
constitutional remedy will either not work or even the symptoms
calling for the remedy may not be there. Here you need to find a
specific remedy first before going to the constitutional remedy. But
the choice of the specific remedy depends on symptoms and you can not
have a fixed formula for everybody. Here the most important thing to
look for is the combination of symptoms. For example we have a
patient with diabetes and Insomnia and maybe flatulance and you can
precribe Uran-nit. Another patient has diabetes with pain in right
shoulder and maybe an aversion to eggs and you might consider
something like Ferr-mur. Ars-brom may be needed at times if the
patient has acne along with diabetes, diabetes with gastritis in a
patient who caanot sleep on his back may call for acet-acid, diabetes
with gastritis and pain in knees may call for nat-p. Gastritis with
arthritis where the pains are worse from motion may call for lactic
acid, with skin disease szygium so on and so forth. One specific
remedy which nobody uses is Ars-s-fl here the patient is chilly and
fastidious desires sweets and has aversion to fat. The list goes on
and on.

But diabetes is a disease with many complications here again
Homoeopathy can be quite useful. For example if a part is heading
towards gangrene remediues such as Ars or Secale can come in. For
diabetic nephropathy we have remedies such as Urea, Terebinth,
Cup-ars, Vanadium etc etc.

For neuropathy there are again a few remedies such as Acon-ferox, Ph-ac etc.

There are more than 150 remedies for diabetes that I know of. Each
having an indication.

Having said all this I will also say this is one disease where the LM
potency works much better than the single dose. Specially when giving
specific remedies.

I will also have to say not all cases can be cured with Homoeopathy.
I know people claim 100 percent cure of diabetes with Homoeopathy - I
don't buy that. Insulin dependent diabetics hardly ever get cured
with Homoieopathy.

Best regards
Elham
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Feel free to keep your inane and wholly inappropriate, pseudo political rantings and diatribe to yourself. Time and again you are using this board as a place to air your specific political perspective. Please stop.

Rik
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Why not leave this to the moderator?
Angry replies just further dissension, and keep her message repeating over and over!

The Moderator has taken action! Warnings have been issued.
Once again - Minutus is APOLITICAL and as a forum should only discuss issues that involve on homeopathy!
Best wishes

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Nelson
Sent: 24 August 2010 15:31
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Diabetes
Why not leave this to the moderator?

Angry replies just further dissension, and keep her message repeating over and over!
Feel free to keep your inane and wholly inappropriate, pseudo political rantings and diatribe to yourself. Time and again you are using this board as a place to air your specific political perspective. Please stop.

Rik

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actually, if you paid attention, there is nothing angry or hostile in my comment.
sorry you cannot tell the difference between anger and support.
may

I should have added salutation--it was directed at Rik's comment, not yours.
Sorry!