Sulis remedy maker vs Eagle - questions

[Allen Coniglio]

Interesting analysis, Paul, but I think it can be carried much further, even to places that most homeopaths appear to be afraid to go. I am speaking here of spirit and the Creator. You touched on those things, and I tend to agree with how you see it. I am not sure, however, that there is truly a difference between the archetypal disease state and the machine produced contrapuntal disease state. I am not sure there is a true awareness of an archetypal disease state by the vital force which, in my opinion, is an analog of the central operating system of a computer. In fact, it is highly likely that we are nothing more than carbon based computers, programmed to operate in a holographic Universe. That does not make our experience any less real than they appear to be as one's reaction to anything determines its reality. All, of course, is energy and if energy can cause us to react, then the reaction, which is also energy, is just as real - or unreal - as the original stimulus.
A machine produced remedy - disease state - does not have to differ from an archetypal disease state. If the machine produced state can cause a reaction similar to the archetypal state, then the two are essentially similar, if not the same. Here is where the scary part comes in for homeopaths. If Jesus, who healed by giving commands to the vital force or to the viruses (demons) which infected the vital force, could cure people in such a manner (as probably could others throughout history) then what would we call such an intervention? Is what he did similar to a homeopathic healing? I think it is. He said the "word" (Arsenicum, Calc Carb, Stramonium, etc.) and the people were healed. That word which he spoke was antithetical to the disease (demon) and the disease was driven from the body. Can a machine produced frequency say the same word? Can machines speak? In this case, it is very possible that they can. The whole idea of demons as self produced bundles of energy powered disease states is another story and would take a whole book to cover adequately.
We do not have sufficient technology at this time to determine whether machine produced frequencies can equal homeopathic remedy frequencies. Most people would say that neither really exists in the form that homeopaths or other frequency type practitioners claim they do. There seems to be evidence to unbiased observers that these frequencies and patterns do exist but, at this point, no one seems to be able to prove it nor can anyone say for sure which are more "real" and usable - traditional "homeopathic" frequencies or machine produced frequencies. And, then we have to deal with the question as to whether humans can produce comparable frequencies by "speaking the word" or by writing the "word" on paper. The example of Jesus (and others) seems to indicate that we can do these things.
John 14:12 "I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these"
The question is, what exactly did he mean when he said "whoever believes in me"? Was he referring to an understanding of the possibilities of doing these things? Was he referring to an understanding of the methodology? Was he referring to an understanding of how to raise one's awareness to the point of being able to "say the word"? Or maybe it was just being able to open our minds to comprehend the greatness of the Universe and of our own potential as spirit beings? Unfortunately, religionists have hijacked his teachings as they have done with the teachings of just about any pure soul and have turned his message of love into one of hate, separation, and condemnation.
I don't know exactly what is going on out there (and in here) but I have to keep my mind open to the possibilities. If I don't, I would be as blind as the religionist and I would certainly fail to see the truth when it passes before my eyes.
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[Tanya Marquette]

Allen I disagree with you about the technology. It has been many years since physics has created

equipment to 'read' the frequencies and graph them for visibility. The problem with doing this is

having access to equipment and money to set up or run tests. This is one of the biggest ways that

homeopathy is suppressed. No research = does not exist. That is the formula used for validation,
not clinical experience.
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[Allen Coniglio]

You may be right about the technology although I haven't seen anything yet that can identify the "spirit" wave of homeopathy. The fact that there are machines that claim to be able to read the frequencies of remedies and to put them into a list of number signatures is one thing but I am not sure if that is the same thing as what I think of as the active principle or "spirit wave" as I call it. Also right about the lack of research precluding a definitive answer in such things.
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[pb000014]

Hello Allen,
One could start a whole new thread on this topic but I'll try to be brief.

Any idea that the spiritual prowess of Jesus can be matched by a machine made in India or Taiwan, I find unbelievable.

The little we know of Jesus's healings, he had the power to command/manipulate the archetypal processes (demons) that were the "inner disease state) of the human. He could direct them into swine. He could cast them out. It seems he could take on the ills of humanity and became" disfigured ".
I don't see this as being homeopathic. It was a different healing mechanism. A superior one I don't deny. We as humans would struggle to do this. I know about" doing it in my name" etc, but I don't know anyone with this capability, let alone a homeopath and the machines work "with the blessings of sai baba", so not in Jesus's name. Sai baba would be a whole other discussion and not fit for this list. Suffice to say his big change came when stung by a scorpion. Look at the provings for androctonus and scorpion.
Regards,
Paul

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[Tanya Marquette]

Reducing to a simple concept--there are psychic healers. There are people who

can lay on hands and some churches specialize in this. There are people who seem

born with this ability and others who learn it. I know of at least 3 people who had

death experiences and came with abilities to heal in different ways. From what I
have seen and studied, it seems that it is all about opening your energy sphere to

connect on a much bigger level, or plane, and be able to send out energy to others.

My animal communicator who I loved, long distance, was able to talk with my cats.

There are many others who can, too. This one woman read the inner body and would

give me the subjective sx of my cat so I could find remedies. it is about harnessing these

abilities and using them for positive and healing acts. We may not be able to 'capture'

the mechanism in a test tube but that does not deny it doesn't exist. To a good degree

it scares people as so outside the box. But if in a church many people seem able to feel

comfortable with such energy experiences. Shaman have used energy healing for 1000's of

years in most cultures. It is all real, just not mechanical or patentable. Thus it gets denied.
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[pb000014]

Hello Tanya,

Yes, I hear you, but for mere mortals like me, I have to use the principles of homeopathy. And I still doubt 100% that a machine reading a card can do that.
Regards,
Paul
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[Tanya Marquette]

Admittedly my science background is rather slim. That said, I can understand that a frequency making machine can

be programmed to accept various codes for different frequencies and produce them in a material way. How that happens
or works will be someone else's task to try and explain. And practitioners are using them in increasing numbers reporting

good results. So that is your clinical evidence.
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[Elham Mohajer]

That is not just the problem. What language do these machines undrestand and what dialect or pronunciation. In India Ars Alb would sound more like Arsh Alabh. Whst if I say I want khira or khiar which mean cucumber in hindi or Persian how would the machine know what I meant. Not to mention that even if Isaid cucumber it might sound more like kukumberrhe. And when it comes to writing half the time I have trouble reading my own writing. Sorry too many uncertainties for my liking.

[Tanya Marquette]

That is a good question. I would venture a guess that the machines are programmed in a particular language if they take oral commands and you would have to set that

language. But most machines use the frequency cards which are not language limited and the ones with a picture would not be an issue either as a tree is a tree no matte what

that language sounds like. But if you were in India and bought a British or American machine, I would think you might ask the question.
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[j jeromin]

The website of the white mountain remedy maker provides a question and answer section where the following explanation can be found:
Question:
Can the device recognise different languages or accents, and will the device still recognise what I want if I have a cold or throat infection?

Answer:
Words are used to represent a thing or situation. Many different words (even different in language) can be used to represent the same thing. Therefore it makes no difference what language a person speaks in, as far as this device is concerned, they will get a remedy from whatever they ask for. Regional accents also make no difference, but it is important that the user speaks clearly into the device.

Question:
What difference would it make if I asked for Calc Carb rather than saying Calcarea Carbonica?

Answer:
No difference - The user knows that Calc Carb is an abbreviation for Calcarea Carbonica.
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