Minutus

Hi Joe,

This is one area I have a problem with. I think it is a good approach for immediate poisoning but not necessarily for the long-term problems for which it is currently in vogue. I think we have discussed this in the past?

If we think this way we once again start compartmentalising diseases and symptoms rather than looking at the person and their responses holistically.

One example is that of heavy metals such as mercury, arsenic (not a true metal, I know), lead, titanium etc. The body only accumulates these substances because of over-exposure, or more commonly today, because its elimination pathways have been disrupted or shut down as part of its ill-health.

In this instance the body will always store these metals in the least damaging areas. To indiscriminately force the body to "detox" by idem risks further harming the patient or having the metals released and redistributing to more sensitive and easily harmed parts of the body as they resettle again.

Poorly trained people just tell the patient experiencing aggravations from these events that it is a good sign and they are just "detoxing". Worse still, they continue to dose into the aggravation. I see many children in which this has happened - and as we are treating dependent and often poorly verbal children we need to be very careful in what we do.

I have always felt, and it is consistent with our philosophy, that it is better to prescribe the remedy the body is calling for at that time (and it may be one of those metals in potency) and it will eventually safely excrete those metals itself when its elimination pathways, and the body in general, are healthy enough to cope.

I only use idem as a last resort and find it sometimes helps partially, sometimes not.

What you say is true but only if the "detox" is done improperly, with a poor technique that overloads the body as you described.

I have spent a lot of time writing about this in the book Organotherapy, Drainage and Detoxification as well as creating the on line course of the same name.

Using the proper technique, it is my experience that healing and cure are faster, deeper, more precise and consistent....the remedy "called for by the patient" when poisoned is not, again in my experience, the one that gives the optimal result.

Yes, we talked about that earlier on, a few years ago....

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

Hi Shannon & Tanya,
I will send a clearer explanation, but just to check we are on the same page, let's take an example. Take aloe. From it's effects in crude and potentized form, how would describe the effects on a healthy versus an ill patient? What use would we find for aloe and what are the primary and secondary actions?
This way we'll have an example to work from.
Regards,
Paul
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It is part of the nature of allopathy that they do NOT trust their own experience, so it is natural for them to keep testing over and over and over ad nauseum what they cannot believe. And they cannot believe because their materialism will not allow it.

Roger Bird
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Yes, many studies done today are merely demonstrating that potentisation does something with what otherwise would be plain old water.

What I find really abhorrent is that quite a few of these studies use animal models but we still trumpet the evidence produced without pointing out that they tell us nothing new - we already know potentisation produces effects so how many more times do we have to show it - and that homeopathy has never had to make animals suffer in the past to know what our remedies treat.

It's all very allopathic, short-sighted and horrible.

Fran.

Fascinating. So this suggests a universal experience. Have to wonder what other remedies were given this way,
successfully. We learned of the ‘like cures like’ principle being traced back to the Delp[hic Oracle, so there must be
many examples of people doing this world wide.

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Quit the balony. We have enough problems with the truth.

Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

It is a matter of technique. To toss out the garbagr one first o-ens the foor so it van exit the house, and readies the garbage can to receive the junk.
Same in the body.
One does not relase metals wiuthpout ensuring they have somewhere suitable to go.
It is not indiscriminate. FIRST you need to make exretory organs healthy and open them ujp to drain. THEN you can release toxins as they then will be escourted out of the body and not just dumped elsewhere.
(Joe has an excellent book on the subject.)
It is the only th oing that works in many cases.
Similars do not help toxins out of the system as well if at all.

..Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

In a message dated 12/15/2014 10:11:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:
JOHN BENNETH: Well, it's about time you said something, Irene, I was beginning to get worried about you, but thanks anyway for assting me in making my point, that you don't have a physical answer for what homeopathic drugs are, except when confronted with a description of their true nature, to join with James Randi, Edzard Ernst and the rest of Pseudoscience World and call them "balony" . . even if it was a bit belated.
I know, you'll say its clathrates and leave it at that. But that doesn't explain what they do.
I need somebody like you to fight me on this. As it is, I'm not getting much traction on this. Nobody's really challenging me on this, and they should. If not questioned I should at leabe challenged on this, even if it's a dismissal in a word, as you have done.
So put up your dukes! Here's my counterpunch
Please know that I understand. I know you and everyone else can't handle it, I know you're suffering from deep plasmophobia, I know you're not wanting to face up to reality, because if you did you'd have to do something like Hahnemann College of Philadelphia did in the late 1960's as a result of Boericke's nuclear magnetic resonance assays of "homeopathic remedies" and as physicians face up to what they really are, radiologists administering radiopharmaceuticals, medical isotopes, and in order to survive financially, as crude as it is, doing something that fits closest to their training and as crude as it is, turn a school of homeopathy into what it really is . . a school of radiology . http://www.hahnemannhospital.com/en-us/ ... vices.aspx which, as always, got hijacked by allopathy and pseudoscience.
And radiology is what "homeopathic medicine" really is: a highly developed, advanced subtle energy medical radiology. To speak accurately about it, that's what Hahnemann would have had to call "homeopathy" if he had lived in the 20th century, because "homoeopathic" only describes an intended application, it says nothing about the nature of the materials being used. And that's the problem here, is that radiologists, masquerading as "homeopaths," are hiding behind an 18th century veil, refusing to identify the true nature of the drugs they are using. The perspicacious consumer senses this obscurity and is infuriated by it. How can they be expected to accept "homeopathic" drugs as being something other than posturing by the silly and naieve, or as you put it, "baloney."
But its not baloney. It's quite real. And it deserves more respect than its getting. The rejection of the true nature of homeopathic drugs on the grounds of it being baloney is a delusion, and as Liz Lalor puts it, it can't be a true delusion unless it serves a purpose, and that purpose is to keep the physics of homeopathic remedies obscure so as to keep them out of the hands of predatory practice. To quote Lalor again, if not misplaced, the hatred of homeopathy springs from a general hatred of laissez faire medicine and the predatory practice in which it has been conflated, which is in itself, the same source of Hahnemannian doctrine, that source being a hatred of unethical, unprincipled, unrestrained, unethical, patent, predatory medicine.
Let me say this: What this means is that in order to propel homeopathy into its proper place as internal medicine we have to understand what little coherently there is to be found in nuclear physics, and piece together what's left of the puzzle from some key physical assays. If admidst all the censure, cat calls and ridicule we are willing to do this, the only answer we end up with is that these FDA regulated and approved materials used as drugs are in reality medical isotopes, radiopharmceuticals, which are in their essence . . RADIOACTIVE.
Isn't it really a matter of respect? Not just giving it to the public and to the material sciences that in reality support it, but in demanding that same respect for ourselves?
John Benneth

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OK, I'll bite, for now....

There is some radioactivity coming out of the remedy, as there is some coming out of absolutely everything, fine.

Now how does that work on the body or mind of a patient?

OTOH, the issue of clathrates and receptors is simple, universal and covers well all aspects of treatment.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

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www.naturamedica.co.nz
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I will throw in that if your theory is correct it only applies to the effects of potentisation. It doesn't explain the homeopathic effect obtained with crude substances or experiences.
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