Tackling a Challenger

[Tanya Marquette]

I am having a problem with what you write here John.

First—language. Let’s clear this up. What do you mean by mummery and thaumaturgy?

Second, I have an issue with your painting all atheists with the same brush stroke. I would say that
some of these denialists are atheists, but all atheists are not denialists. It is the same with people like
J. Randi—some a..holes may be gay; that doesn’t make all gay people such.

I can grant you that when you have people living at the extreme, the converse of their beliefs can just
as easily be compared. Such is the balance in all of us.

As for Christianity—it is well known to have lifted many practices of all those it besieged and conquered.
Doing such was one of the strategies and tactics to woo people into the Christian fold more passively.
The other choice was brutal, anything from extreme ostracism to death. Let’s never forget the Inquisition.

I will agree that Homeopathy does have the power to create more healthy balance in people which is what
we try to do.

t

[Irene de Villiers]

This is a grossly invalid generalisation, be ashamed!

The average Lyc is a wonderful person and by no means are all skeptics Lycs.
Lyc is not even in the rubric for Mind-Skeptical!
It is in the rubric for "Mind- aversion to homeopathy", which is not at all the same thing (as the rubric remedies clearly show) and in "violent reaction to homeopathic remedies" which explains the aversion.

The Lyc generalization is thus invalid by the riubrics of our profession, but even if it had been valid, that's like saying because the full moon is bright then everyting bright is a full moon.

Nor has being an atheist got anythg to do with it.
(There are no atheist rubrics.)

Where do people dream up these ideas?

...Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

There are plenty of religious types who are skeptics.

.....Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Vicki Satta]

YES Irene... an ever increasing number of the elite members of our mainstream political parties are Obamacare haters, climate deniers, pro frackers despite what we know about the methane gases and skeptics who forgot what their duty is to the USA and not the Corporation of the United States of America and their investors!
Sigh
,Vicki

[Roger B]

Putting "spiritual" people, i.e. spiritually oriented people, in the same category as religious people is absurd. In fact, I would guess that virtually every spiritually oriented person is either a supporter of homeopathy or non-committal. Nary a one is against homeopathy.

Religious people would be a much different array of belief about homeopathy. In fact, this one thing, supporting homeopathy could be taken as a litmus test for spirituality vs. religiosity.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:21:03 +1300
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Tackling a Challenger
I wish, easier to dismiss....rabbis, reborn christians, preachers, etc,.....

If spiritual and religious people of any and all affirmations were really even just open to homeopathy, we would have a majority of supporters, just going by the numbers; clearly not the case, which I put to the facts that many are followers and not free thinkers.........even within conventional medicine, when I was working for the NHS in Israel, I had religious people contemplating my very conventional prescription or therapeutic plan and telling me "I will ask the rabbi"........and if he disagreed for whatever reason, there was no way to change their mind.
Alternatively, some came with "suggestions" (rather orders, "ask your doctor to give you this") and if I did not comply, I was in for arguments, swearing, curses and official complaints to the management...........
And yet my teacher/tutor at the Jerusalem homeopathic college was deeply religious and observant, as well as being French speaker, so we had lots of Homeric arguments and tremendous amounts of fun!

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Fran Sheffield]

Time to lighten up on the moral outrage, I think.

Fran.

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

That is a tautology: "all cats have 4 legs; my dog has 4 legs; hence my dog is a cat"...........

Maybe the difference is that I have lived in many different countries, societies, types of population and have actively tried to mix and mingle with different "creeds" in order to understand them. Or that I have also actively tried to learn at least the basics of the different faiths, religions and philosophies I was encountering...or whatever else, it does not matter.

You met 100% of skeptics as being atheists; that does not mean at all that 100% of atheists are skeptics....and many, atheist or not, could not care less.............

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Irene de Villiers]

Professional logic is not moral outrage:-)
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Fran Sheffield]

Hello Irene,

Please explain further?

Fran.

[Roger B]

Having an intellectual grasp of various religions is of less real value than having an intellectual grasp of sex, but never having experienced it.

True religion begins when one's adoration of Infinitude matches and surpasses my dog's adoration of me.

Roger Bird
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:29:06 +1300
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Tackling a Challenger
That is a tautology: "all cats have 4 legs; my dog has 4 legs; hence my dog is a cat"...........

Maybe the difference is that I have lived in many different countries, societies, types of population and have actively tried to mix and mingle with different "creeds" in order to understand them. Or that I have also actively tried to learn at least the basics of the different faiths, religions and philosophies I was encountering...or whatever else, it does not matter.

You met 100% of skeptics as being atheists; that does not mean at all that 100% of atheists are skeptics....and many, atheist or not, could not care less.............

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz