Minutus

True.

'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus] schreef op 15-5-2014
23:09:

Joe, you long ago confirmed that you see no problem in promising homoeopathic treatment but delivering something else; there's little that need be said beyond that. For those of us of whom such behaviour is beyond the bounds of ethical practice, it certainly does matter what we're practising.

Your insistence too from year to year upon blurring the boundaries between homoeopathy and allopathy -- and upon doing it so deliberately that you'll berate anybody who points out that polypharmacy (whether of your stripe or of anybody else's) inherently renders so-called homoeopathic practice an uninformed kind of allopathy -- simply isn't compatible with maintaining a truthful stance on the topic.

If you can live with your conscience in practising that kind of doublespeak, then more power to your elbow. But don't expect to shut those of us up who speak the language of pure materia medica, an entire case-taking, similarity of symptoms, and care in avoiding suppression in the name of "Well, it works, and that's all the patient wants and needs".

Kind regards,

John

Once again, I do not promise "homeopathic treatment", I do promise treatment that might or might not include homeopathy as a technique, as well as any other technique that might be indicated.
You are an expert at double-speak, indeed.

Do you actually see patients? do you treat anybody? do you care about anything else than you and your ego?

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

not to mention this list is astonishingly tedious. every few days there is some endless droning about the same things. one wonders how many patients some of us are seeing, with the amount of time we seem to have available to type.
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"(3) In considering a particular patient who has come to us for homoeopathic treatment,"

Patients do come for treatment of their suffering, their illnesses, their diseases, their discomfort; most, if not all, do not give a rat's gluteus maximus about which technique we use as long as it cures them (preferably) or relieves them.

That is what YOU fail to understand.

Knowing what is and is not homeopathy is a question for us, professionals, we agree on that. The rest is pure waste of time and energy.
And you do not seem to realise the amount of damage you have created in the minds of practitioners, especially those at the beginning of their careers, who feel diminished, insulted and made feel useless and worthless by your ramblings.
You have not read their private emails..........you are so full of yourself..........

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz

hear ye, hear ye
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not to mention this list is astonishingly tedious. every few days there is some endless droning about the same things. one wonders how many patients some of us are seeing, with the amount of time we seem to have available to type.
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From: "'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus]"
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"(3) In considering a particular patient who has come to us for homoeopathic treatment,"

Patients do come for treatment of their suffering, their illnesses, their diseases, their discomfort; most, if not all, do not give a rat's gluteus maximus about which technique we use as long as it cures them (preferably) or relieves them.

That is what YOU fail to understand.

Knowing what is and is not homeopathy is a question for us, professionals, we agree on that. The rest is pure waste of time and energy.
And you do not seem to realise the amount of damage you have created in the minds of practitioners, especially those at the beginning of their careers, who feel diminished, insulted and made feel useless and worthless by your ramblings.
You have not read their private emails..........you are so full of yourself..........

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz

Joe, my apologies if I've misinterpreted you on this point. I see that back in 2010 you did indicate that the mode of treatment might often be unspecified between you and your patient till you'd taken the case. My misinterpretation, if that's what it is, has arisen from some hedging shortly afterward on what you'd mean by pracitising homoeopathy (when you referred to three various schools of homoeopathy, all claiming to practise "Hahnemannian" homoeopathy).

Regardless, let me withdraw my remark on the promise of homoeopathic treatment, since apparently it doesn't apply to you, in favour of this observation: that a patient's assumed, even express, indifference to the kind of treatment she'll receive, relevant to my third point, nevertheless overlooks the other three points and consequently the continual pain of reviving this discussoin to no purpose other than that of either pushing or resisting replacement of homoeopathy in all but name with allopathy.

Kind regards --

John

I'm going to enter my 2 cents into this conversation as a PATIENT who LOVES homeopathy and thinks it should be the prevailing system throughout the planet. I am not a homeopath.

I have to agree with Joe... when sick (as I have been) I want a homeopath who knows his/her business (homeopathy_ and who will give me confidence that healing/wellness is possible the. As a person like the patient he described with a serious chronic health condition, I have been nutritionally "malnourished" for a long, long time. A little over a year ago I began to address that issue without a homeopath who understood what Joe knows and practices. In fact, I wrote to my last homeopath and terminated my relationship with him a few weeks ago. I told him the truth too. I lost confidence in him when he told me to "... go to the doctor" for the acute issue (a serious one) when he added to that go to the doctor mantra, "I'd hate to hate lose you because of xyz acute issue." What kind of statement was that? It was him telling me that he didn't have the skills to do anything for me but to take the chronic case and manage the case using the constitutional remedy!

The nutrition/lifestyle changes that I needed to make don't just happen after a one time awakening! They constitute part of a huge educational and implementation effort. They are also costly and really need to be initiated by someone with the knowledge to educate and understand how critical they are to recovery. I am still not there 100% and find myself knowing I need to go make bone broth and not actually doing it (just one thing I need to do consistently and judiciously), but I have made changes that are impacting my overall health and I know what else I need to do.

I listened to the interview about Joe's approach that was linked here. Bravo Joe! I think you have it right. And who's to say that a homeopath can't do more than take and manage cases? Your success rate proves that the approach works! We can't forget the "...do no harm" ethics that our founder gave us, can we? I read a page from the 6th version of the Organon every day. I do it because it instills a belief that there is a good outcome in-progress! I've taken simple classes in First Aid, Basic Homeopathy and Advanced Homeopathy. I've used it for my dogs (thanks Ginny Wilken), and I've been a patient of homeopaths who didn't help me much, I admit to knowing very little about homeopathy but I do know the skills I'm looking for in a homeopath! I want my homeopath to know more than I do because I know now that if I had understood, for example, the very important missing piece (nutrition and exercise) in my life, I would not have the chronic case to deal with that I have today.

Keep educating yourselves... it's part of the mission of homeopathy's intended expansion into the mainstream!

Cheers!
Vicki

Can't seem to figure put how to start a new post so I am writing here. Hope it's okay even though it has nothing to do with the above post. My six year old dog was chasing a squirrel and he came back to me limping. This happened a few years ago also but it seems worse this time. The only thing that helped him before was a long time of resting and no exercise. I am hoping to help him get better faster this time. I gave him arnica when it first hAppened and then later rhus tox as it seemed that it was worse when he got up from resting. Neither has helped so far. Should I repeat the rhus tox? If so when? I not that experienced. Thanks so much.
Julie
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