Minutus

Got there, thanks Hennie, did a search, could not find it......anybody,
please....

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

Not me, do not know why, got there through the link sent by Hennie, did a search, no luck.

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
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Roger,

I have been a member of Minutus for more than 15 years and seen everything that has happened in the Group despite not joining in with philosophical discussions. There was a time when there were loads of arguments and bad feeling because members were posting about topics other than Classical homeopathy. It was at that time that Tam Llewellyn and Dr Suriya Osman formed Homeopathy Open. The Open bit was so discussion about other topics than pure Classical Homeopathy would be acceptable. Many people like myself are on both lists.
Hope you now understand.
I can assure Soroush is male. I have seen photos of him talking at conferences.
Rochelle
From: Roger B [mailto:rogerbird2@hotmail.com]
Sent: 23 March 2014 21:41
To: Homeopathy minutus@yahoogroups.com; rochellemarsden@talktalk.net
Subject: RE: [Minutus] MSM and aloe vera
Rochelle,

You can speak to the whole group? Are you psychic?

And your insistence upon pure homeopathy is just another expression of homeopathic insularity. You're not interested in healing. You're interested in splitting hairs about the definition of homeopathy. How pathetic is that.

I was just told that Soroush was a she. I have for months thought that he was a he. I sure wish that we would get that straight.

Roger
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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: rochellemarsden@talktalk.net
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 19:51:26 +0000
Subject: FW: [Minutus] MSM and aloe vera
No one here is interested in your question Roger because it is not pure homeopathy which is what this particular group is all about!!
(BTW Soroush is a “He”)
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger B
Sent: 23 March 2014 16:46
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] MSM and aloe vera
Dear Y'all,

I will stand by most of what I said about the group and homeopathy in general, without malice or anger. Homeopathy has become insular because it has been attacked viciously and evilly for the past 200 years by con med. It is perfectly natural that homeopathy should have become insular. The group got my edited rage because I did not want to express to Soroush what I wanted to say, she had hurt my feelings so much and had made me so angry.

There are other ways to stimulate the body's own healing power. They are different from homeopathy, like Ayurveda, Traditional Chinese Medicine, flower remedies, chiropractic, urine therapy, and perhaps a few others. I think that it would be much more productive to try to figure out why they all work rather than worry about the definition of homeopathy. Such fretting about the definition of homeopathy seems to me to be just another way of setting up boundaries between homeopathy and non-homeopathy, which really goes back to the war between con med and everything else. Of course homeopathy is uniquely amazing and can often heal better than anything. But it is not necessary to work so hard to make these distinctions between homeopathy and non-homeopathy. We all know that it is the body that heals. But why does homeopathy do it one way and Ayurveda do it another way. No one here seems interested in that question except me. If we had an idea or even an inkling of an idea why, I think that healing could make great strides.

Roger

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To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: finrod@finrod.co.uk
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 08:11:15 +0000
Subject: RE: [Minutus] MSM and aloe vera
If his response had been purely towards me, then you have a point Irene.

However, as his response concerned not only me and my role, but members of Minutus and homeopaths in general, then I my view is that the members should know about it.

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Irene de Villiers
Sent: 23 March 2014 07:30
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] MSM and aloe vera
You have no right to post his private response on the list.
REPLY TO: > only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

No bearing.
Unless he does tell people negative things about Soroush - then THAT is actionable.

The libel law in commonwealth countries, USA and Ireland, is centuries old, from 1275:
"A is liable for saying anything to C about B which would be apt to make the average citizen think worse of the latter."

Currently the only actionable thing under that rule is Soroush putting a private correspondence in a public place.
Soroush is A who said tings to us (C) about Roger (B) and did so in a public place (this list is public) where the average citizen could think worse of Roger.

Before that:
When Roger (A) writes to Soroush (C) privately, about B (us) there is no way to make the average citizen think anything bad about us (B) as they are all unaware of the PRIVATE communication. It is not libel.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Well that is trying to speak for all of us, is it not?
It is not homeopathy but that does not mean nobody is interested,
Different healing systems have a tendency to have a commonality somewhere, and understanding one of those other mechanisms, can hep us understand momre of them,including homeopathy.

So I am interested.

Soroush will tell us as list manager, if he wants to topic dropped. He gets to say what is okay to discuss.
We do not.

Namaste,
Irene

REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Homeopathy Open List is unpopular and flawed becasue Dr Tam implements rules that do not apply to the writers, such as his views on what is legal to say as a homeopath.
The problem is that he does not live where the members live, is not responsible for what they say but does not see that, and does not know the rules where we are, (which are other than as he has invented them) and so it stifles discussion, members get tossed or their well written emails are rejected, after they spent a lot of time and effort and emotional energy writing them.

THAT is why there is no discussion there any more.
(None this year; 26 emails for all last year; less every year.)

SO.... MInutus is appreciated becasue it DOES have some leeway and allows some peripheral subjects that can lead to core discussion with improved understanding. And writers are not led by the nose or getting their emails tossed if they ARE appropriate there.

Homeopaths are the wrong group to try to lead by the nose. We work in an "individualized" scieince. ANd it behooves us to also be individuals, - who better to understand others' individual issues - despite that we do use many common *principles*.

At least - That is how I experience it.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Thanks Irene, that's very clarifying. I was curious.

I too am very interested in that topic! And some days am interested in the definition thing.

This list has always had its periods of diversion (more so in the past), but I think the problem Roger ran into is that he was insistent about promoting discussions that he was being asked -- including by our official, list-owner anointed moderator, Soroush -- to drop. I think the problematic reasoning here is whether (a) this list is a "free speech zone" and a place where people are obligated to partake of each conversation that any of us proposes, or whether the situation is (which in fact it is) (b) that this is actually an educational, privately run, privately "owned" list, with stated purposes and stated "rules."

Roger -- a decade or two ago a wonderful homeopath named Ardavan began the list, for the purposes stated on the Minutus website, and at sign-up, and etc. And after years of obvious need for a moderator, Ardavan asked Soroush to fill that role in order to keep peace on the list.

So, when someone insists on pushing a point or repeatedly tries to prolong a thread they are asked to drop, it is more akin to going into someone's home (let's say it's a party, or an open house), climbing up on a table, and insisting on… whatever, let's say preaching the gospel. Or lecturing about health foods. Or homeopathy, or whatever -- and when the homeowner asks them to step down, they refuse.

It's not a street corner; it's not governed by democratic rule… Anyone who doesn't like the list does not need to stay. And, like most relationships, it (i.e. this list) is NOT going to fulfill all needs. We get to visit multiple lists, and get different things from each.

I heartily second Rochelle's suggestion of HomeopathyOpen. There's also BeyondHomeopathy (also started by Suriya, for similar purposes). Those lists have been basically dormant lately, but if you sign on and start posting, you would no doubt get replies. Might not raise the interest you are hoping for, but in any case no one would tell you to drop the topic or to leave.

Best wishes,
Shannon

On Mar 23, 2014, at 8:51 PM, Irene de Villiers > wrote:
It's not that simple! Similarly dormant are BeyondHomeopathy, and also Homeolist, which is descendant of the very original homeopathy list, Lyghtforce. I'm still a member of each, and have been for what, anywhere from 25 years (Homeolist / Lyghtforce) to whenever each of those others was started. It wasn't overregulation that silenced Beyond or Homeolist, and they are all still there, ready to be brought back to life, for different purposes and to different tastes.

It's just that everybody wants to be where the people are, and that has become Minutus.
My understanding is that he was put under legal threat of having the list shut down. Maybe there was more to it than that, but that was my understanding.

Anyway -- I always thought it would be great to have each of those lists stake out its territory and draw different groups to it, according to their tastes. We (I am drawing this as the combination of Minutus and also the now-sleeping Homeolist, Beyond, and Open, and probably another one or two I'm forgetting) -- we have lost some people and input that we had "in the early days" that I found EXTREMELY valuable and interesting, but non-classical and so they were chased away. If I knew what list they might be hanging out at instead, I would include that in my "library."

Nice example!

Shannon Nelson schreef op 24-3-2014 14:17: