Hypermobility affects 1 in 10,000 to 15,000 and is caused by an autosomal dominant or autosomal recessive mechanism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehlers–Danlos_syndrome So Ehler-Danlos, could not be the only explanation for the hyper mobility that we see. It is quite common. In any case, Dr. Roz's comments apply.
Dr. Roz, do you mean you would find the individualized remedy to be given at a slightly higher potency and give a lower potency of Calc-f?
Thanks,
Ellen
Hyperextension
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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I would give the individualised remedy in a full Fibonacci series and the Calc F as a plasma potency like 5 to 34C in drops for a few weeks, not more.
Joe.
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What are the types of situation where you find plasma potency better? Why not do the Calc-f in regular series also -- (and why not plasma potency for other situations?)
Shannon
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Naughty girl, Shannon 
.....the answers are in the books...there is a logic in my madness...
Joe.
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.....the answers are in the books...there is a logic in my madness...Joe.
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Rats, I *bought* the book -- are you telling me that's not good enough for getting the answers out of it?
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Dale,
That sounds accurate. While I don't have fingers that bend backwards easily, when I make a fist, there is little if any knuckles shown, only my middle knuckles are barely prominent and hand does look more boneless. When in high school, in gym class, we were given one exercise where hands were outstretched and fingers spread out, we were supposed to lift our bodies up. My left thumb made a snap, felt pain. I thought it was dislocated, but not, and may have been connective tissue, ligament, give way. To this day, I feel a thumb strain and when I bend it, you hear a snap or click.
I've had more wobbly ankles, where they can give out and foot bends while walking if my shoe is loose fitting.. I've found the extract from Boswellia serrate plant helps with this. One supplement I use describes the technical reasons behind what likely is happening, where diet can contribute to the condition by overproducing arachidonic acid and possibly moreso if one is more miasmatically susceptible to it.
http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements ... sFlex.html
Is double jointedness considered hyperextension and also a psoric miasm indicator?
Susan
That sounds accurate. While I don't have fingers that bend backwards easily, when I make a fist, there is little if any knuckles shown, only my middle knuckles are barely prominent and hand does look more boneless. When in high school, in gym class, we were given one exercise where hands were outstretched and fingers spread out, we were supposed to lift our bodies up. My left thumb made a snap, felt pain. I thought it was dislocated, but not, and may have been connective tissue, ligament, give way. To this day, I feel a thumb strain and when I bend it, you hear a snap or click.
I've had more wobbly ankles, where they can give out and foot bends while walking if my shoe is loose fitting.. I've found the extract from Boswellia serrate plant helps with this. One supplement I use describes the technical reasons behind what likely is happening, where diet can contribute to the condition by overproducing arachidonic acid and possibly moreso if one is more miasmatically susceptible to it.
http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements ... sFlex.html
Is double jointedness considered hyperextension and also a psoric miasm indicator?
Susan
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Have a look at Strontium Carbonicum, see if it fits, I have had great results with people suffering from easy and repetitive sprains.
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Well, no, but it is in there, maybe I should then clarify:
Why not Calc F in "regular" series but in a plasma potency? It all depends what you need to do. In the situation of plain hyperextension or connective tissue laxity, I want to act selectively and almost "locally" on those tissues, hence the use of remedies the same way I would use MT or very low potencies of herbs, for a purely physical problem. In the case of real Ehler-Danlos, I might use a regular series as the defect is genetic and is affecting all the tissues, IF the other symptoms bear resemblance to Calc F....which unfortunately is not known or considered as a "big" remedy or a polychrest.
So let's take another example with a better known remedy, Calc Phos. Imagine you have a patient asking for help with the repair of a fracture: Calc P will be part and parcel of the treatment but you want an intense local action on the bone, no matter what the core remedy or the miasmatic situation of this patient is; this is where I go with a plasma potency using the lower end of the spectrum. OTOH, if the patient has a general simillimum that is Calc P, then I will of course use a regular series PLUS Calc P with others as a local treatment, a bit in the same technique as Schuessler salts.
I like imagery, so here it comes: a screwdriver is a screwdriver, from the tiniest ones used in watchmaking to the big ones used with drills in building; yet you would not use them interchangeably, would you?
You could say there is an inconsistency here, as I keep saying that there is no way we can know which potency/ies is/are needed in any case, hence the use of a full series; that is true, and my use of lower potencies in the plasma could be a residue of my years of indoctrination in the belief that "physical problems need lower potencies".
Yet my clinical experience has shown me that when it comes to local, focal, organic problems, often the lower potencies or the tinctures when talking about herbs do work more effectively as they act in a chemical, pharmacological way. I have had the demonstration with kidney and liver malfunctions that did not react at all to potencies, yet recuperated when using tinctures. And since then, this is an association I do quite regularly.
For example a patient repertorises Phosphorus, and has a fair amount of liver symptoms and liver function tests strongly perturbed. P being a liver remedy, I could be satisfied with that. But I am not and will also give him a mix of Silybum, Taraxacum and Cynara in tinctures: those are herbs and remedies known to regenerate the liver. Both treatments work in synergy allowing for a faster healing. And that is what I am compelled to do, according to simple ethics, the first aphorism, the Oats of Hippocrates and Maimonides and all the ethical contracts I signed with all the professional organisations I belong to.
Why not plasma potency for other situations? I did try! at best it did not work and some aggravations happened, luckily very short term and without any sequels.
And it makes sense when dealing with core remedies, "the" simillimum: each dose carries a quantum of information; you want that information heard, understood and acted upon before giving the next bit; you read once chapter after the other in a book, not all chapters at the same time.
Better?
Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind" www.naturamedica.webs.com
Why not Calc F in "regular" series but in a plasma potency? It all depends what you need to do. In the situation of plain hyperextension or connective tissue laxity, I want to act selectively and almost "locally" on those tissues, hence the use of remedies the same way I would use MT or very low potencies of herbs, for a purely physical problem. In the case of real Ehler-Danlos, I might use a regular series as the defect is genetic and is affecting all the tissues, IF the other symptoms bear resemblance to Calc F....which unfortunately is not known or considered as a "big" remedy or a polychrest.
So let's take another example with a better known remedy, Calc Phos. Imagine you have a patient asking for help with the repair of a fracture: Calc P will be part and parcel of the treatment but you want an intense local action on the bone, no matter what the core remedy or the miasmatic situation of this patient is; this is where I go with a plasma potency using the lower end of the spectrum. OTOH, if the patient has a general simillimum that is Calc P, then I will of course use a regular series PLUS Calc P with others as a local treatment, a bit in the same technique as Schuessler salts.
I like imagery, so here it comes: a screwdriver is a screwdriver, from the tiniest ones used in watchmaking to the big ones used with drills in building; yet you would not use them interchangeably, would you?
You could say there is an inconsistency here, as I keep saying that there is no way we can know which potency/ies is/are needed in any case, hence the use of a full series; that is true, and my use of lower potencies in the plasma could be a residue of my years of indoctrination in the belief that "physical problems need lower potencies".
Yet my clinical experience has shown me that when it comes to local, focal, organic problems, often the lower potencies or the tinctures when talking about herbs do work more effectively as they act in a chemical, pharmacological way. I have had the demonstration with kidney and liver malfunctions that did not react at all to potencies, yet recuperated when using tinctures. And since then, this is an association I do quite regularly.
For example a patient repertorises Phosphorus, and has a fair amount of liver symptoms and liver function tests strongly perturbed. P being a liver remedy, I could be satisfied with that. But I am not and will also give him a mix of Silybum, Taraxacum and Cynara in tinctures: those are herbs and remedies known to regenerate the liver. Both treatments work in synergy allowing for a faster healing. And that is what I am compelled to do, according to simple ethics, the first aphorism, the Oats of Hippocrates and Maimonides and all the ethical contracts I signed with all the professional organisations I belong to.
Why not plasma potency for other situations? I did try! at best it did not work and some aggravations happened, luckily very short term and without any sequels.
And it makes sense when dealing with core remedies, "the" simillimum: each dose carries a quantum of information; you want that information heard, understood and acted upon before giving the next bit; you read once chapter after the other in a book, not all chapters at the same time.
Better?
Joe.
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Thanks Dale and everyone,
I have also been wondering about the membrane that lines the inside of hen egg shell.
It has been researched in China and shown at a crude level to be very helpful for connective tissue disorders.
Does anyone know if egg shell membrane has been potentised? And if so, under which name?
Calcarea Ova Testae is potentised hen egg shell but without the membrane.
Thanks, Fran.
I have also been wondering about the membrane that lines the inside of hen egg shell.
It has been researched in China and shown at a crude level to be very helpful for connective tissue disorders.
Does anyone know if egg shell membrane has been potentised? And if so, under which name?
Calcarea Ova Testae is potentised hen egg shell but without the membrane.
Thanks, Fran.
Re: Hyperextension
Ovi gallinae pellicula [Ovi-g-p.] is the remedy you're seeking.
Unfortunately, there's nothing in the materia medica to suggest it might be useful for lax connective tissue. Mainly seems to be used for a particular dull pain in the heart: "Mrs. P. had suffered with her heart for many years, when under mental or physical excitement, and finally it took the form of congestion of the heart; the usual dull, heavy, aching feeling was supplemented by a numb, cold feeling internally, like a cold stone. She had a severe attack and at eight PM received a dose of Ovi-gall-p. CM.
She said: "In fifteen minutes after taking the medicine, I was taken with a sharp pain in the region of the heart, which passed directly downward as if into the bowels, and I had to fly to the closet, and passed a large volume of blood. Afterward I felt much better, slept splendidly, and woke without any of that annoying feeling at the heart. A few days after I got in a violent passion, but had no return of the old trouble. Awoke next morning with a feeling exactly like a bee sting in the heart or in that region, and have felt well since (Boardman)."
Peace,
Dale
Unfortunately, there's nothing in the materia medica to suggest it might be useful for lax connective tissue. Mainly seems to be used for a particular dull pain in the heart: "Mrs. P. had suffered with her heart for many years, when under mental or physical excitement, and finally it took the form of congestion of the heart; the usual dull, heavy, aching feeling was supplemented by a numb, cold feeling internally, like a cold stone. She had a severe attack and at eight PM received a dose of Ovi-gall-p. CM.
She said: "In fifteen minutes after taking the medicine, I was taken with a sharp pain in the region of the heart, which passed directly downward as if into the bowels, and I had to fly to the closet, and passed a large volume of blood. Afterward I felt much better, slept splendidly, and woke without any of that annoying feeling at the heart. A few days after I got in a violent passion, but had no return of the old trouble. Awoke next morning with a feeling exactly like a bee sting in the heart or in that region, and have felt well since (Boardman)."
Peace,
Dale