Minutus

Irene,

I would subscribe to the lists where French, Italian, German homeopaths frequent and post on there. Your case will certainly resonate with the Germans as in living memory there were state activities similar to what is being directed towards you. They occurred in the kangaroo courts under Hr. Freisler during the WW2. These were political courts which conducted themselves with little regard for 'due process' and fairness.

I wouldn't use any strong language or remark on the similarities as above as many will that themselves. See if you can get help there as there may be international contacts that can be useful.

All I can say is 'they' must be very worried if they are investing so much time and trouble into getting at you......
J

________________________________

From: Irene de Villiers
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2013, 12:00
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Summary Judgement Against Me without even a hearing
I will brainstorm all the ideas I cxan assemble and se what looks best once I get the judgemente wording.
Thanks for these, do you happen to know a lead to find the lawyers who went after the quackbusters in CA?
Not yet.

It was clearly contrived and planned. They kept sending demands to answer allegations etc (since July last year in documlents up to 160 pages long full of invented things I never went near doing and which they claimed to be findings of undisputed fact - to be answered within 5 days always contrived over a weekend and/or holiday) and kept making excuses to delay but also ensured that when a document needed an answer, it was over a weekend or Thanksgiving and even over Xmas and always too many thigs to answer or provide in the time.
My request for extended time due to my being disabled was denied.

For example, they have been agreeing to a meeting to consider a settlement for a long time and kept changing the date they agreed for this meeting, putting it off - then finally Monday night (last week and knowing I'd be out of town Wed and Thurs over Xmas) they rescheduled that meeting for 3.15 pm Friday and told me to rewrite my website pages and my consult contract offer form, all to submit as part of the settlement consideration with the judge at 3.15pm. SO - instead of Xmas....you know what I was going crazy trying to so and not able to do in the time - you get the idea, but I had the settlement terms ready to negotiate with some new wording for 3.15pm gettign no sleep.
SO then the judge's SECRETATY phones my lawyer at 3pm and says no settlement meeting will happen with him in 15 mins time as summary judgement has been made instead - and the hearing on 13/14 Jan as well as the prehearing conference supposed to also be last Friday, were cancelled.
I doubt it is the judge who is culpable here or of he is just pleasig the AAG for the healt Dept who is notorious for this, Gail Yu.
One got overturned, but it had to go to the state supreme court at great cost to do so.
One got settled also at great cost. Gail Yu went for a doctor using a device to measure electromagnetic fields approved by FDA (EFT or some similar acronym). She did that right after she had gotten the maximum $144,000 fine from an unloicenced person using hte device on grounds of his practicing medicine withot a licence. The doctor was accused of using it as inappropriate for a licenced person to use as outdie proper practice within his license (do not know exact legal term used) .
He got settlement eventually based on the inconsistency that leaves no room with or without licence to use an FDA approved item.

The reason Gail YU is the problem IMO is that AAG's job is to interpret the law. It is HER "interpretations" that result in the "uncontested findings of fact" that she invents into her requests for summary judgement. The judge then by law has these "undisputed/uncontested facts" - as Gail Yu presents them to the judge - by which summary judgement may be applied.
BUT he also has my response to them - clearly ignored.
Many judges report directly to Gail Yu also. Not sure if Roam Dixon does or if he is in a "next door" dept. The excuse from Gail Yu for using a Health Dept (where she is chief) judge has been that other judges may not know enough about health.
Her job as Health Dept AAG, is to interpret the law to protect the health of the people and animals of WA, and to implememnt the stated objectives and goal short term asnd longe term, of the dept - which for example include as the highest priority goal - looking for ways to reduce the incidence of chronic disease.

THe young cat in CA with chronic kidney disease and the chronic disease FIP (in JUly 2012), neither of which have any veterinary treatments to improve them much less cure them, and whose owner declined my offer to find a constitutional remedy match for her cat, whether she and her or her vet chose to obtain and use it or not - died a year ago.

THis is all supposed to make sense in the year 2013? (or is it 1320 and I am dyslexic)

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Irene,

This is just stunning… Even though we've all been familiar with the fact that it has been going on.

I tried googling on and that brings up quite a few listings. Narrowing it down by adding in brings up none that specifically mention health freedom, but a good number of general pro bono listings. Have you tried that angle already?

Shannon

Thank you Shannon - I am grateful for all these ideas. Especially now as I am rather in shock and not thinking that straight yet .Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

try to contact Tim Bolen who has been closely following the Quackbuster trials.
The web address for his newsletter: http://www.bolenreport.com
I have written him in response to the newsletter and he has been responsive. There is probably
contact information on his site. He calls himself a Consumer Advocate with a strong focus on
Freedom of Health.
tanya
From: Irene de Villiers
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:00 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Summary Judgement Against Me without even a hearing
I will brainstorm all the ideas I cxan assemble and se what looks best once I get the judgemente wording.
Thanks for these, do you happen to know a lead to find the lawyers who went after the quackbusters in CA?
Not yet.

It was clearly contrived and planned. They kept sending demands to answer allegations etc (since July last year in documlents up to 160 pages long full of invented things I never went near doing and which they claimed to be findings of undisputed fact - to be answered within 5 days always contrived over a weekend and/or holiday) and kept making excuses to delay but also ensured that when a document needed an answer, it was over a weekend or Thanksgiving and even over Xmas and always too many thigs to answer or provide in the time.
My request for extended time due to my being disabled was denied.

For example, they have been agreeing to a meeting to consider a settlement for a long time and kept changing the date they agreed for this meeting, putting it off - then finally Monday night (last week and knowing I'd be out of town Wed and Thurs over Xmas) they rescheduled that meeting for 3.15 pm Friday and told me to rewrite my website pages and my consult contract offer form, all to submit as part of the settlement consideration with the judge at 3.15pm. SO - instead of Xmas....you know what I was going crazy trying to so and not able to do in the time - you get the idea, but I had the settlement terms ready to negotiate with some new wording for 3.15pm gettign no sleep.
SO then the judge's SECRETATY phones my lawyer at 3pm and says no settlement meeting will happen with him in 15 mins time as summary judgement has been made instead - and the hearing on 13/14 Jan as well as the prehearing conference supposed to also be last Friday, were cancelled.
I doubt it is the judge who is culpable here or of he is just pleasig the AAG for the healt Dept who is notorious for this, Gail Yu.
One got overturned, but it had to go to the state supreme court at great cost to do so.
One got settled also at great cost. Gail Yu went for a doctor using a device to measure electromagnetic fields approved by FDA (EFT or some similar acronym). She did that right after she had gotten the maximum $144,000 fine from an unloicenced person using hte device on grounds of his practicing medicine withot a licence. The doctor was accused of using it as inappropriate for a licenced person to use as outdie proper practice within his license (do not know exact legal term used) .
He got settlement eventually based on the inconsistency that leaves no room with or without licence to use an FDA approved item.

The reason Gail YU is the problem IMO is that AAG's job is to interpret the law. It is HER "interpretations" that result in the "uncontested findings of fact" that she invents into her requests for summary judgement. The judge then by law has these "undisputed/uncontested facts" - as Gail Yu presents them to the judge - by which summary judgement may be applied.
BUT he also has my response to them - clearly ignored.
Many judges report directly to Gail Yu also. Not sure if Roam Dixon does or if he is in a "next door" dept. The excuse from Gail Yu for using a Health Dept (where she is chief) judge has been that other judges may not know enough about health.
Her job as Health Dept AAG, is to interpret the law to protect the health of the people and animals of WA, and to implememnt the stated objectives and goal short term asnd longe term, of the dept - which for example include as the highest priority goal - looking for ways to reduce the incidence of chronic disease.

THe young cat in CA with chronic kidney disease and the chronic disease FIP (in JUly 2012), neither of which have any veterinary treatments to improve them much less cure them, and whose owner declined my offer to find a constitutional remedy match for her cat, whether she and her or her vet chose to obtain and use it or not - died a year ago.

THis is all supposed to make sense in the year 2013? (or is it 1320 and I am dyslexic)

Namaste,
Irene

REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Thanks!!!
I like that idea - do you know how I can find them?

Possible reasons:
* A vet in CO got hold of an email of mine to a client and sent it in with a complaint so they had "hard" evidence.
(Back in 2003, a client showed her healthy cat to the vet (Arnold Goldman, chief skeptic rabbelrouser) in CT who had diagnosed an incurable disease - he waxed enthusiastic in order to get the name of the "wonderful homeopath" from the client... and sent it in to WA state accusing practice of medicine without license. That case was dismissed.)

* I do research in a new area I am developing (not yet published but the results of using it are published) involving phenotytpe genetics combined with homeopathy leading to ability to select a remedy to build general health - regardless whetehr a disease is present or not and at any time of life.
While building health is not praxtricing medicine (at least not in WA) it is super dangerous for vets in the case of using it in cats with 100% incurable fast killing FIP disease.
Vets get 1000 to 8000 or more dollars per case of FIP in USA durin gthe short time before the cat dies from FIP plus drugs and procedures that make it worse. There are 5 million cases per year, increasing EVERY year in proportion to vaccine rate. (It did not exist in 1960). My research to build health despite FIP being there, threatens this income and is free to anyone reading it where I chose to publish it - including on my website which the state attacked as a later added aspect to my case:


* Nearly all my work has been in how to builod health in a cat with concomitant FIP disease, so that the resltant improved immune system and cell resistance allows the cat to start to fight the disese with its healthier basic body structure - cells stronger so they are not attacked so well, and immun system re-enbled to produce whatever cytokines were not working when it got FIP. (Cats with healthy immune systen do not get FIP; the TH-2 skewed result of vaccination however makes them sitting ducks - another unpopular statment I can make with good scientific mainstream evidence.)

* I do not think they like that I can and do put homeopathy and formal conventional science together to point the same way - against drug medicine - and that I have the credentials in both to do it with credibility. During this case they were at great pains to ridicule my 14 years of university education - calling it "wild" "charlatan", "claimed", and implied the degrees were bought, and said that I used false testimonials on line (there are none) to dupe susceptible and desperate people into my spider web to fleece them of their money. (I never charged a cent). THis last was claimed by Dr Niels Pedersen, a researcher in FIP - whose research findings were indeed quoted in my email. Yet in the same depositin he says I clearly have very advanced knowledge about FIP and in fact as much as a veterinary specialist consultant and since I act like one I am practicing medicine. (my email explains the FIP disease becase vets are out of date,,,. Free speech issue not medcial practice to teach or give information.)
In fact the client I offered to do work for said her boss had paid 8K so far on her vet fees when she first wrote to me. (I parried to state program that she probably paid at least ten thousand by the time the young cat died a few months later, as opposed to my zero money asked. I also quoted safety statistics on western medicine versus homeopathy.)

................

So I suspect an outspoken person with a system of homeopathy to offer that causes some cats to get healthy instead of having vets charge 8K each to watch 5 million of them die, is not wanted as competition.
It's a case of "do the math"?

I was shocked at Pedersen's hypocricy and perjury I have to say - as either his own researech on FIP since the 1960s and ongoing as his life goal, is all wrong - or he perjured himself - it canot be both ways with his deposition.

The anti-homeopathy activist movement runs deep and ugly and can be anywhere, and involves an intense lack of ethics or compassion, which I am seeing now in some most surprising places.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Thanks t - I'll try again - his reponse area was out of action last I looked.
I

REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I think Irene’s case is the kind they were looking for—a vulnerable person with little
financial backing to mount a strong legal battle. If they can get a judgement on the books
they have created case law that can be used against others. They are also creating
legal practice precedent which they can use against others, as well.
t
From: JULIE GRIFFITHS
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:27 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Summary Judgement Against Me without even a hearing

Irene,

I would subscribe to the lists where French, Italian, German homeopaths frequent and post on there. Your case will certainly resonate with the Germans as in living memory there were state activities similar to what is being directed towards you. They occurred in the kangaroo courts under Hr. Freisler during the WW2. These were political courts which conducted themselves with little regard for 'due process' and fairness.

I wouldn't use any strong language or remark on the similarities as above as many will that themselves. See if you can get help there as there may be international contacts that can be useful.

All I can say is 'they' must be very worried if they are investing so much time and trouble into getting at you......
J
________________________________

From: Irene de Villiers
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2013, 12:00
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Summary Judgement Against Me without even a hearing
I will brainstorm all the ideas I cxan assemble and se what looks best once I get the judgemente wording.
Thanks for these, do you happen to know a lead to find the lawyers who went after the quackbusters in CA?
Not yet.

It was clearly contrived and planned. They kept sending demands to answer allegations etc (since July last year in documlents up to 160 pages long full of invented things I never went near doing and which they claimed to be findings of undisputed fact - to be answered within 5 days always contrived over a weekend and/or holiday) and kept making excuses to delay but also ensured that when a document needed an answer, it was over a weekend or Thanksgiving and even over Xmas and always too many thigs to answer or provide in the time.
My request for extended time due to my being disabled was denied.

For example, they have been agreeing to a meeting to consider a settlement for a long time and kept changing the date they agreed for this meeting, putting it off - then finally Monday night (last week and knowing I'd be out of town Wed and Thurs over Xmas) they rescheduled that meeting for 3.15 pm Friday and told me to rewrite my website pages and my consult contract offer form, all to submit as part of the settlement consideration with the judge at 3.15pm. SO - instead of Xmas....you know what I was going crazy trying to so and not able to do in the time - you get the idea, but I had the settlement terms ready to negotiate with some new wording for 3.15pm gettign no sleep.
SO then the judge's SECRETATY phones my lawyer at 3pm and says no settlement meeting will happen with him in 15 mins time as summary judgement has been made instead - and the hearing on 13/14 Jan as well as the prehearing conference supposed to also be last Friday, were cancelled.
I doubt it is the judge who is culpable here or of he is just pleasig the AAG for the healt Dept who is notorious for this, Gail Yu.
One got overturned, but it had to go to the state supreme court at great cost to do so.
One got settled also at great cost. Gail Yu went for a doctor using a device to measure electromagnetic fields approved by FDA (EFT or some similar acronym). She did that right after she had gotten the maximum $144,000 fine from an unloicenced person using hte device on grounds of his practicing medicine withot a licence. The doctor was accused of using it as inappropriate for a licenced person to use as outdie proper practice within his license (do not know exact legal term used) .
He got settlement eventually based on the inconsistency that leaves no room with or without licence to use an FDA approved item.

The reason Gail YU is the problem IMO is that AAG's job is to interpret the law. It is HER "interpretations" that result in the "uncontested findings of fact" that she invents into her requests for summary judgement. The judge then by law has these "undisputed/uncontested facts" - as Gail Yu presents them to the judge - by which summary judgement may be applied.
BUT he also has my response to them - clearly ignored.
Many judges report directly to Gail Yu also. Not sure if Roam Dixon does or if he is in a "next door" dept. The excuse from Gail Yu for using a Health Dept (where she is chief) judge has been that other judges may not know enough about health.
Her job as Health Dept AAG, is to interpret the law to protect the health of the people and animals of WA, and to implememnt the stated objectives and goal short term asnd longe term, of the dept - which for example include as the highest priority goal - looking for ways to reduce the incidence of chronic disease.

THe young cat in CA with chronic kidney disease and the chronic disease FIP (in JUly 2012), neither of which have any veterinary treatments to improve them much less cure them, and whose owner declined my offer to find a constitutional remedy match for her cat, whether she and her or her vet chose to obtain and use it or not - died a year ago.

THis is all supposed to make sense in the year 2013? (or is it 1320 and I am dyslexic)

Namaste,
Irene

REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I think you are absolutely right on the money and I am sure there are corporate interests behind this.

That is exactly what I was thinking...case law setting precedents......It's hard to reverse
that.
________________________________

From: tamarque
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2013, 14:38
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Summary Judgement Against Me without even a hearing
I think Irene’s case is the kind they were looking for—a vulnerable person with little
financial backing to mount a strong legal battle. If they can get a judgement on the books
they have created case law that can be used against others. They are also creating
legal practice precedent which they can use against others, as well.
t
From: JULIE GRIFFITHS
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:27 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Summary Judgement Against Me without even a hearing
Irene,

I would subscribe to the lists where French, Italian, German homeopaths frequent and post on there. Your case will certainly resonate with the Germans as in living memory there were state activities similar to what is being directed towards you. They occurred in the kangaroo courts under Hr. Freisler during the WW2. These were political courts which conducted themselves with little regard for 'due process' and fairness.

I wouldn't use any strong language or remark on the similarities as above as many will that themselves. See if you can get help there as there may be international contacts that can be useful.

All I can say is 'they' must be very worried if they are investing so much time and trouble into getting at you......
J
________________________________

From: Irene de Villiers
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 29 December 2013, 12:00
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Summary Judgement Against Me without even a hearing
I will brainstorm all the ideas I cxan assemble and se what looks best once I get the judgemente wording.
Thanks for these, do you happen to know a lead to find the lawyers who went after the quackbusters in CA?
Not yet.

It was clearly contrived and planned. They kept sending demands to answer allegations etc (since July last year in documlents up to 160 pages long full of invented things I never went near doing and which they claimed to be findings of undisputed fact - to be answered within 5 days always contrived over a weekend and/or holiday) and kept making excuses to delay but also ensured that when a document needed an answer, it was over a weekend or Thanksgiving and even over Xmas and always too many thigs to answer or provide in the time.
My request for extended time due to my being disabled was denied.

For example, they have been agreeing to a meeting to consider a settlement for a long time and kept changing the date they agreed for this meeting, putting it off - then finally Monday night (last week and knowing I'd be out of town Wed and Thurs over Xmas) they rescheduled that meeting for 3.15 pm Friday and told me to rewrite my website pages and my consult contract offer form, all to submit as part of the settlement consideration with the judge at 3.15pm. SO - instead of Xmas....you know what I was going crazy trying to so and not able to do in the time - you get the idea, but I had the settlement terms ready to negotiate with some new wording for 3.15pm gettign no sleep.
SO then the judge's SECRETATY phones my lawyer at 3pm and says no settlement meeting will happen with him in 15 mins time as summary judgement has been made instead - and the hearing on 13/14 Jan as well as the prehearing conference supposed to also be last Friday, were cancelled.
I doubt it is the judge who is culpable here or of he is just pleasig the AAG for the healt Dept who is notorious for this, Gail Yu.
One got overturned, but it had to go to the state supreme court at great cost to do so.
One got settled also at great cost. Gail Yu went for a doctor using a device to measure electromagnetic fields approved by FDA (EFT or some similar acronym). She did that right after she had gotten the maximum $144,000 fine from an unloicenced person using hte device on grounds of his practicing medicine withot a licence. The doctor was accused of using it as inappropriate for a licenced person to use as outdie proper practice within his license (do not know exact legal term used) .
He got settlement eventually based on the inconsistency that leaves no room with or without licence to use an FDA approved item.

The reason Gail YU is the problem IMO is that AAG's job is to interpret the law. It is HER "interpretations" that result in the "uncontested findings of fact" that she invents into her requests for summary judgement. The judge then by law has these "undisputed/uncontested facts" - as Gail Yu presents them to the judge - by which summary judgement may be applied.
BUT he also has my response to them - clearly ignored.
Many judges report directly to Gail Yu also. Not sure if Roam Dixon does or if he is in a "next door" dept. The excuse from Gail Yu for using a Health Dept (where she is chief) judge has been that other judges may not know enough about health.
Her job as Health Dept AAG, is to interpret the law to protect the health of the people and animals of WA, and to implememnt the stated objectives and goal short term asnd longe term, of the dept - which for example include as the highest priority goal - looking for ways to reduce the incidence of chronic disease.

THe young cat in CA with chronic kidney disease and the chronic disease FIP (in JUly 2012), neither of which have any veterinary treatments to improve them much less cure them, and whose owner declined my offer to find a constitutional remedy match for her cat, whether she and her or her vet chose to obtain and use it or not - died a year ago.

THis is all supposed to make sense in the year 2013? (or is it 1320 and I am dyslexic)

Namaste,
Irene

REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Dear Irene,

I am so sorry this has been happening to you.

Do you have time to condense what has happened in simple way so that most non-legal folks can understand it ... and then place the information on your website? We can then talk about it in our newsletter and then link back to it to help get the word out?
Kind Regards,

Fran Sheffield

Dear Fran,

Thanks,,,,
Yes I shall find that time soon - I am doing some website editing now, but need to first get it in line with whatever they order when that arrives. I'll be scheduling several activities including this one.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."