Minutus

one can (at least some can?) run *quite* well with fats as th main energy source instead of carobs. The body has both pathways.

I haberead interesting material about coconut oil as main calorie source having wonderful effects of normalizing brain function in Alzheimers. Also epilepsy.

Everything I have been reading lately focuses on eating more fats and better fats.
Eating carbs, especially processed ones, causes the body to burn the carbs while
storing the fats.
Coconut oil has been so maligned by the big ag industry and the corn oil producers
without a lick of evidence, ever, that it did harm. But to the contrary, look at all
the countries in the world where coconuts are the main fat. It is used for everything
from food, to body products, to medicine. As for alzheimer disease, there is a
medical doctor who has brought her husband back from dementia with raw,
organic coconut oil. The impact of it was almost immediate. There are interviews
with this woman online.
Epilepsy should also respond. The ketogenic diet is based on carefully controlled
fat intake and the elimination of all carbs with high protein. The center for treating
brain seizure disorders is at Johns’ Hopkins Medical Center—big todo. Yet and still,
this diet and the fat connection is still poopoo’d by many in the medical field.
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From: Shannon Nelson
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Thought on long water fasts

one can (at least some can?) run *quite* well with fats as th main energy source instead of carobs. The body has both pathways.
I haberead interesting material about coconut oil as main calorie source having wonderful effects of normalizing brain function in Alzheimers. Also epilepsy.

Agree this is good.
No it doesn't - that's a misconception.
It's those carbs that BECOME the stored fat.
INSULIN PLUS CARBS = STORED FAT.

Fat eaten is not stored as fat - it is used as energy.
You'd have to eat a huge amount of fat to have enough left to store.

If both fats and carbs are eaten, the FATS eaten will be used first for energy - (this is NOT the same as using stored fats in fat cells.)
Unless the individual is doing exercise, the carbs eaten will be dumped into fat cells by the insulin.
(not dumped into muscle cells)
To burn STORED fat from fat cells, requires a different process.
Central fat - abdominal and the fat around internal organs, all the dangerous body fat - - comes from CARBS, not from fat eaten.

If you eat too much fat, that can be stored - not centrally - but subcutaneously - as a layer of fat under the skin all over. THAT kind of fat stage is not unsafe. The dangerous metabolivcallyu active fat - ALL comes from carbs eaten, NOT from fat eaten.
is a good oil/fat to eat to help burn central body fat.
None of it can be burned till it is dissolved in a good oil - like coconut or Extra virgin olive.
If you do not get enough good fat yo CANNOT burn the centrally stored bad fat.
Fat only dissolves in fat - not in water. SO you need the good fat to dissolve the bad fat so i can be liquidated into the blood to burn.

If you wish to lose weight - EAT FAT! Just make it good fat, not seed oil and soy oil esp not canola
Good saturated fat like lamb is better than soy oil or seed oil................
But check out that mayo and salad oil - read labels! it s ALL soy!

Namaste,
Irene

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Hi,

I weigh as much as I did when I was 17 and I doubt that I need to lose fat. Now, I am probably more muscular and active than when I was 17. Better quality fat is no doubt useful. Domenic gave me the exellent advice to start adding foods very slowly so that I can check which foods do not agree with me. Sunny also sent me a private email instructing me on how to do a water melon fast when I come out of the water fast. That will help to get rid of any stones or sand in my kidneys.

We shall see. I can stop when I want to. It is my choice. I will report back when I finish.

For me the spiritual aspect is far more important than the physical aspect. So I guess I just have different values.

Thanks everyone for all the advice. It feels very good to be living in a community.

Blessings,
Ellen

I did a 42-day water fast followed by a raw fruit diet in Panama. Symptoms that I had had for 20+ years cleared up.

Every other animal on the planet lies down and fasts when possible, to heal itself. We are the only animal that thinks instead "maybe I should take some drug". There is no risk at all from a properly conducted fast and re-feeding process. And there is a _lot_ of potential gain.

I would recommend raw fresh ripe fruit for re-feeding, if possible. When one's fat reserves are entirely exhausted one's hunger returns and it is time to stop fasting; the organs are starting to break down. That didnt happen to me during the entire 42 days and I am somewhat underweight by USA standards.

The fast should be conducted without any stress i.e. sleeping or lying down as much as possible. Getting on your computer, reading, watching movies, etc. as little as you can tolerate. They all use a lot of energy that should be directed to healing. The eyes & brain, especially the visual cortex, use a lot of our energy.

That said, doing a fast unsupervised is dangerous. Mental, physical and emotional stuff can come up. And we need to drink water during our fasts because of the types of cooked food diets and other toxins that we intake and need to be flushed. One's blood pressure needs to be checked daily to see if one is getting enough water. And a very slow return to eating needs to be monitored. Where I went they would take half the number of fasting days to bring one back to a normal diet level i.e. 21 days following my 42-day fast.

Another very important issue is how quickly one returns to "normal". It takes a long time for the body to stabilize at its new healthy state following the fast. Just like we occasionally see "antidoting" of homeopathic remedies, one can see relapses from any healing method including fasting if stressors (including bad diet, toxic conditions, etc.) are applied too soon. The longer one has been sick the longer it takes for the body to stabilize after the healing occurs. I would guesstimate the period of time to stabilize is 5-10% of the time one has been sick.

Roger Barr

Btw, I had previously done many other different so-called fasts: juice, Hippocrates-type wheat grass juice, Gerson, Master cleanse, etc. Water fasting is the most effective, least debilitating, gentlest one that I have done; more results, less trouble, except I did need supervision and help at times.

Roger Barr

Dear Roger,
Thanks. What you are saying lines up with what I have been reading and my own experience with short water fasts. (one week). The whole problem for me is ending the fast. From what you are saying, I need to continue the ending of the fast process after I return home. I warned my husband who is the who "suffers" the most from my fast. Eating with me and cooking together is the basis of our marriage (plus conversation etc). So, calling a stop to that is hard on him. But, he is doing his part. So I am thankful. With your encourgement and Domenic's advice to start one kind of food at a time, I am going to work at slowly ending the fast. Certainly that will be the hardest because I will be doing it when I come home. Putting yourself in someone else's hands is not something that I do easily or often, but I am grateful I can do it this time.
Best,
Ellen