Minutus

Friends,
Just because you have your own opinions about homeopathy does not mean that you can create LEGAL definitions of what is and isn’t homeopathy. There are laws and regulations about homeopathy, and it seems that many homeopaths are un-informed or mis-informed about them.
While homeopathic formulas are not “classical homeopathy,” they are still legally recognized as “homeopathic drugs” in the USA and throughout most of the world.
When homeopaths say that a medicine isn’t “homeopathic” unless it is homeopathic to a specific person, that is fine and dandy as a theoretical exercise, but it holds NO place in law.
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Although I primarily practice classical homeopathy, I also realize that MOST people cannot afford to go to a homeopath and/or it is too complex for them to figure out which remedy to use. I consider homeopathic formulas to be a “user-friendly” type of homeopathy, and it enables people to use these natural remedies instead of conventional drugs. I also realize that these formulas do not work all of the time, but guess what, classical homeopathy doesn’t work all of the time either, especially in the hands of newbies.
Dana Ullman, MPH, CCH

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SO if someone went to an area were malaria was endemic you would recommend this spray? Just this spray or something more?
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From: Dana Ullman
To: 'Sheri Nakken'
Cc: minutus@yahoogroups.com; finrod@finrod.co.uk
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] A new homeopathic insect repellent
Friends,
Just because you have your own opinions about homeopathy does not mean that you can create LEGAL definitions of what is and isn’t homeopathy. There are laws and regulations about homeopathy, and it seems that many homeopaths are un-informed or mis-informed about them.
While homeopathic formulas are not “classical homeopathy,” they are still legally recognized as “homeopathic drugs” in the USA and throughout most of the world.
When homeopaths say that a medicine isn’t “homeopathic” unless it is homeopathic to a specific person, that is fine and dandy as a theoretical exercise, but it holds NO place in law.
People who want more information about this product can see it at:
http://tinyurl.com/jvrlcms
Although I primarily practice classical homeopathy, I also realize that MOST people cannot afford to go to a homeopath and/or it is too complex for them to figure out which remedy to use. I consider homeopathic formulas to be a “user-friendly” type of homeopathy, and it enables people to use these natural remedies instead of conventional drugs. I also realize that these formulas do not work all of the time, but guess what, classical homeopathy doesn’t work all of the time either, especially in the hands of newbies.
Dana Ullman, MPH, CCH
Homeopathic Educational Services
812 Camelia St.
Berkeley, CA. 94710
510-649-0294
email@homeopathic.com
dullman@igc.org (personal)
www.homeopathic.com (website)
www.Huffingtonpost.com/dana-ullman (blog)

wow - this is pretty tragic. Legal definition? What about remaining true to homeopathic principles and to clients?

I first learned about homeopathy from you when you can to the University for Humanistic Studies in San Diego, where I was studying for my Masters in Health Education. You came there with Jerry Green, your attorney. I was so excited and went on from there (1979 or 1980) to still love homeopathy and remain true to its laws and principles.

I am saddened that this is where you are today. We had a discussion about vaccines last year when you said in your November 2012 Newsletter -
"I am personally not "against" vaccines. To be against vaccines is akin to be against surgery. Both treatments have their place in health care, but each treatment is inappropriate for everyone, and numerous factors need to be considered before accepting them as a reasonable strategy."

And I challenged that.

Dana, what happened to homeopathic principles?
Sheri

At 10:08 AM 6/21/2013, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
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Dana, With regard to legal definitions, there *is* a legal definition of a "homeopathic remedy" and it is defined by the FDA in the Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia of the United States (HPUS) which the FDA controls.

Even if the product made and sold as a "homeopathic remedy" has only ONE ingredient and ONE potency, but is made other than classically, the manufacturer can be shut down, as that does not fit the LEGAL definition of a "homeopathic remedy" in USA.

SO you are not correct to *assume* you can call any old mixture a homeopathic remedy - legally speaking!
In this case I think the shoe is on the other foot:-)
Many manufacturers either do not now the law or try to circumvent it with similar sounding terminology, but the term "homeopathic remedy" is legally reserved and may NOT be legally applied to a mixture in USA by any USA manufacturer. USA cannot control what a product is labelled that is manufactured elsewhere, but inUSA that's the rule.

Celletech was closed down by the FDA for example, for making remedies by a nonclassical method (not the one in HPUS which is required to be used for manufacture in USA, to call anything a homeopathic remedy) even though they were single ingredient and singe potency.
One can legally call a mixup a homeopathic "product" but not a homeopathic remedy. Sadly the FDA did not cover this misuse of the term homeopathic, (which is after all invented and defined by Hahnemann himself to describe the Law of SImilars effect of a SINGLE matching substance- so NOT open to misinterpretation applied to mixtures!) but at least "homeopathic remedy" is legally restricted.
ANd you wish to PROMOTE that nonsense instead of explaining what really is homeopathy and what is not?
THAT holds NOP place in one who supports homeopathy at all.
Homeopathy invokes the Law of Similars.
Mixtures are incapable of invoking it.
Understanding that difference is absolutely fundamental to knowing what is or is not homeopathic in any way.
"Homeopathic" implies the Law of SImilars is being applied.
This excuse for failing to use the Law of SImilars, is not a reason to call a mixture homeopathy.
The problem is that they may well be "natural remedies" and SHOULD be called that - but they are NOT homepaty and to call them homepathy is a total misrepresentaton and undermining of homepathy, and one of the big reasons homepathy is so easily atacked by the greedy drug companies, and made to use ineffective - it is because that shortcut mixture IS ineffective at being a homepathic remedy.
By all means sell them - but call them what they are - they should NOT be called homeopathic as they clearly are not homeopathic. It's an insult to homeopathy's use of the natural Law of Similars by which it works and by which those mixtures cannot work.
What a wet and baseless excuse!
Of course Homeopathy DOES work all the time. It uses the Law of Similars - a creation of Nature not man:-)\

If you choose the wrong remedy (such as a mixture or a mismatch) instead of a GOOD match - then it is not homeopathic, will NOT use Law of Similars to cause healing - and so the homeopath made a goof - but there is no problem with homeopathy, just with the homeopath.......you need to select with better accuracy!
But if it is homeopathic, it WILL work, that's what the Law of Similars ENSURES. We have no way to prevent the Law of Similars form working if it is invoked by a correct remedy match!!!!
Just because kindergarten kids can't spell a word, does not make their version valid!
DO not suggest a problem with homeopathy as a science, because it is being used by inept practitioners with kindergarten knowledge and not enough gumption to stick with the learning curve.
Or more likely - not enough ethics to invent something that really works by invoking the Law of Similars - and so making a profit by resting on "homeopathic" laurels (till they crash from the misuse) and using the public's ignorance - this being what you are now promoting. You too are now out to make a profit at the expense of the real nature of the Law of Similars, which you should know as a claimed classical homeopath!

By all means - Promote your mixture - just do not call it homeopathic. It's not. Mislabelling it, legal or not, is a disservice to the entire homeopathy profession - namely those who invoke - or intend to invoke - the Law of Similars in their work.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Most everyone is confusing the word Homeopathic and Homeopathy.
I have to agree with Dana. Anyone can use Homeopathic prepared substances in different protocols, as they want. It is not homeopathy. With the general attitude of the public to self medicate, along with their distrust of modern medicine; they benefit if they can relieve their acute symptoms with such substances. This helps the public overcome their phobias about this medical modality. Hopefully, someday they will seek out a Homeopathic practitioner because their experience was positive with a combo homeopathic preparation.
Homeopathic refers to the preparation of substances using a specific methodology, for example, according to the pharmaceutical protocol of the HPUS.
Homeopathy is the philosophy (of one man) applied as a medical protocol to animals, including man.
It took 6 revisions of this philosophy to get to the present day treatment protocols.
Homeopathy uses substances only prepared in a Homeopathic way, according to a specific protocol.
Most of the time it works.
Anthroposophical medicine is a philosophy (based on one man), using substances prepared by the same Homeopathic formulas of dilution and succussion. It is still practiced today.
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sorry - this just doesn't cut it.
The public is confused enough as it is - thinking herbs are homeopathy and homeopathy is herbs and combos are homeopathy and such.
It is misleading at best to consumers and people looking for healing and deceitful at worst.

Wish Hahnemann could have patented homeopathic and homeopathy such as ROLFING® has

and I would suggest it doesn't work when the homeopath does not find the right remedy, potency, dose, frequency and method of administration. Homeopathy works. It is people who muck it up.

So 'legally' Dana is right, but how does that help the world?
Sheri

At 12:16 PM 6/21/2013, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases

Hi Sheri,

I have heard that lavender and mints and other essential oils can antidote, I am a herb grower, have left the fields with armfulls of mints, lavenders, bergamots, etc without it ever antidoting my own remedies - but then again I have been known to work with the herbs on a daily basis at times.

If the mint or lavender is not supressing anything - why should it antidote? Yes, those botanicals can and do act suppressively (such as vicks for a respiratory problem or tea tree oil for a foot fungus) those are definitely using the herbals for their supressive qualities and in those conditions the herbals are over riding the vital force and sure they can bounce a good remedy.

I am open minded here, has anyone seen them antidote when not acting suppressively? Just wondering.

Warmly, Maria

I understand and usually don't go on and one about this. I just know lavender antidoted me.
I was 'cured' of migraines after treatment with LM1 Nux v within 2 months (maybe 1 month, but with the periodicity of my headaches, wasn't sure until 2 months had gone by)
A few months later I had more minor headache and kind of panicked and put lavender oil on my temples, and then got a migraine again.........so a few more LM1 doses of Nux v, and I was back migraine free (I would get them, before that, every 1, 2 or 3 weeks, lasting for 2 days and terrible) I conducted every weekend retreat and conference I put on with a migraine, and started every tour I conducted with a migraine - coming after a big push and then relief was part of it).

All I can say is that it did - of course one could never know for sure, but, ther eyou have it.

Just something to keep in mind. People are using lavender for so many things now - so much Essential Oil use for all kinds of things and TEA TREE oil - don't get me started on that one!

I don't know - would be interested in hearing others' stories too.

I just warn my students and clients about the possibly with oils such as the above, possibly antidoting and encourage them not to use them when starting constitutional treatment or during acutes.
Sheri

At 12:26 PM 6/21/2013, you wrote:

I think Soroush's question addresses what makes this particular formula homeopathic to preventing mosquito bites. It's not enough to combine a number of homeopathic remedies for a combination to be "homeopathic". Quite apart from the question of whether anything can be considered homeopathic that hasn't been proven, in a combo the parts have to be specific to the problem.
From what I can see, this particular formula addresses the aftermath of bites, particularly itching. How does that make it repel mosquitoes?
Peace,
Dale
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Interesting as my Migraines were also cured with Nux Vom many years ago but a dose of 10M dry!! I used to get them every Friday afternoon for the whole of the weekend! I use Lavender essential oil a lot so I wonder if an LM dose is more sensitive than a dry dose. Just a thought.
Rochelle
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Sent: 21 June 2013 21:30
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] A new homeopathic insect repellent
I understand and usually don't go on and one about this. I just know lavender antidoted me.
I was 'cured' of migraines after treatment with LM1 Nux v within 2 months (maybe 1 month, but with the periodicity of my headaches, wasn't sure until 2 months had gone by)
A few months later I had more minor headache and kind of panicked and put lavender oil on my temples, and then got a migraine again.........so a few more LM1 doses of Nux v, and I was back migraine free (I would get them, before that, every 1, 2 or 3 weeks, lasting for 2 days and terrible) I conducted every weekend retreat and conference I put on with a migraine, and started every tour I conducted with a migraine - coming after a big push and then relief was part of it).

All I can say is that it did - of course one could never know for sure, but, ther eyou have it.

Just something to keep in mind. People are using lavender for so many things now - so much Essential Oil use for all kinds of things and TEA TREE oil - don't get me started on that one!

I don't know - would be interested in hearing others' stories too.

I just warn my students and clients about the possibly with oils such as the above, possibly antidoting and encourage them not to use them when starting constitutional treatment or during acutes.
Sheri

At 12:26 PM 6/21/2013, you wrote:
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ & http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases