Minutus

Yes Sue,

I already said that,
my point is that ONLY owners, NOT homeopaths or any other therapist unless they are a vet...this does not help many people or their animals.
If the owner of an animal gets a homeopath to help with their animal, that is considered 'treatment' by the homeopath not the owner and breaks the law.
This is something I have checked.

I personally don't have a problem, I'm lucky being both a lay homeopath and a trained herbalist, (this is how I know, I am bound by the same laws...not saying I wouldn't do it, just that it is against the law to do so, but I'm a healer and just get on and do it at my own risk) a raw feeder, chemical-free, non-vacc'd etc.
I am expressing the frustration that is caused by the long-winded and complicated way the 'system' works here, it is not in the interest of the animals despite it's 'worthy' claims.
And the fee's charged are beyond the means of many people unless they have pet insurance which many don't.
The art of animal husbandry is nearly lost as Christine knows also, it has been replaced by dependency on the veterinary system, everyone is told that they don't know how and should leave such things to the 'experts', and sadly most people believe this, as one person said to me in blank confusion, "but that's why I use the vet so I don't have to waste my time learning all that crap, that's what I pay them for".
This is an attitude I come across regularly, the lack of personal responsibility for anything including their own health, it's the world we live in.
Xmarybabb

Tanya,
This law was founded in 1966, homeopathy and herbalismwere virtually non-existant then...both of these modalities are still despised, dismissed, vilified and ignored amongst the vast majority of the establishment.
There have been many attacks on homeopathy in particular these past few years, driving out some practitioners and forcing them to stop practising, at least visibly. The powers that be within the homeopathic community seem to have done nothing to protect their practitioners nor their art, as if they hoped that if they stayed quiet the situation would die down and they could carry on.
This, it seems to me was a bad idea.
I have a degree in Medical Herbalism and Nutritional Therapy and repeatedly, when I tell anyone, whether a lay person or a medical practitioner what I do, they immediately dismiss me with 'Oh that's like Homeopathy isn't it, it's been proven not to work.'
I am truly incandescent for the lack of support both Homeopathy and Herbalism has in this country from it's official bodies because the rubbish written and widely dispersed in the press about both is what the general public seem to pay attention to.

Both need an informed and long sustained campaign of education and promotion to the public.
A little bit pie-in-the-sky perhaps but the truth neverless.
Xmarybabb

I think, Tanya, the trouble with the UK is that they can be rather laid back until about the 11th hour, and then they don't know what to do. People in authority tend to go along with the flow, if you like, and then when things turn topsy turvy they say they didn't see it coming. I don't accept that. Anyone with eyes can see what's happening and the way things are going, so these people in authority either know what they're doing, or they are so naive that they shouldn't be in that position in the first place.
Again, we never plan for the worse. We wait until it happens and then it's usually too late.
There again, there are some people who try and do their best, but they're in the minority.
At the end of the day "follow the money".
Regards
Christine

Whatever is wrong with you.
Having a chip on your shoulder is one thing, but bringing into light people's personal details is definitely WRONG. If you have an issue with Tanya then take it off the list.
Regards
Christine

This in answer to both you, Christine, and Mary
I have been following the situation in the UK fairly well4
and understand and concur with what you are saying. Be informed
that it is no different in the US.
Wearing my sociologist hat, I can say that the 1% has waged major
campaigns against the public forever. You may recall the 1970’s phrase
“Power to the People.” This is exactly what the ruling class has always
been afraid of and they go to great lengths to control the public. The
entire education system, at least in the US, was predicated on the Prussian
model for mass social manipulation and control. Education is a highly
tracked system where the vast majority of people are trained to obey
designated authorities. Witness the very common accusation “who are
you to speak on ..........” as if the average person is not allowed to have
any authority, especially over our own body.
In health we are told to bow to the men in the white coats and mocked
when questioning them. However, those white coated folk also bow to
a higher authority—Big Pharma!
Bottom line we are a profession with people who are more concerned with
being liked and seen as ‘reasonable’ than people who are motivated by
principle and self-protection. In the mid-20c in the US homepaths, like
you describe in the UK, wouldn’t believe their profession would be
destroyed by the likes of the AMA and its master the chemical drug
corporations. Practitioners grew sparse as they aged and became even
more isolated until the profession no longer had a presence. In NYS
the AMA (I believe it was them) argued to remove homeopathy from the
list of legitimate professions as there was no one left to mount a fight.
Practitioners were more concerned to fight over their egos than to learn
from history and try to avoid the same mistakes. As the saying goes, those
who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
t
From: Christine Wyndham-Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:21 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)


I think, Tanya, the trouble with the UK is that they can be rather laid back until about the 11th hour, and then they don't know what to do. People in authority tend to go along with the flow, if you like, and then when things turn topsy turvy they say they didn't see it coming. I don't accept that. Anyone with eyes can see what's happening and the way things are going, so these people in authority either know what they're doing, or they are so naive that they shouldn't be in that position in the first place.
Again, we never plan for the worse. We wait until it happens and then it's usually too late.
There again, there are some people who try and do their best, but they're in the minority.
At the end of the day "follow the money".
Regards
Christine

I have to agree with Christine. This is getting ugly. From my end, I would also really prefer you both take this nasty crap into more private quarters. I, for one, really don't care which one of you is "right". Sort it out between the two of you please. Grandstanding in a public forum seems to lead to an exaggerated sense of righteous indignation, which then rapidly degrades into sheer hatred and ill-will. In essence, a very ungraceful dog fight. And all for what? A relentless quest to be "right", to come out on top, to impress the faceless mass audience. Not cool. And not worthy of this profession. Please stop.

Agi

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Christine Wyndham-Thomas wrote:

ABSOLUTELY. The three political classes have utter contempt for anyone beneath them, including their own supporters. Got us locked...or nearly locked into a dictatorial regime that back in the 1930's it would never have been allowed to happen. I know it's the same in the US. I think we can both see where this is heading! Thank goodness we've got UKIP and I know in the US you've got Ron Paul. Sad, though, he didn't win.
The pharmaceutical industry is no doubt mixed in with all this, because they want total control of health. As I said, follow the money.
Their attacks on alternative health and homeopathy is an indication of that. They operate, too, on fear. So much so that people who should know better are afraid to speak out and think that by burying their heads and staying quiet the issue will go away. It won't though. What we need is a speaker as good as Nigel Farage, but for the homeopathic / alternative health movement. Nice to dream, isn't it! Just imagine them giving talks in schools, colleges, universities, radio, TV and newspapers. That is one way to fight without violence.
Regards
Christine

Back in the 1930’s people were dealing with the depression and it was very clear that the banks
did it. Further, the oligarchy had no limits placed on them so they were into their cartels and
and major abuse of labor. The US had a burgeoning socialist movement which scared the crap
out of the 1%. There were many violent assaults against union efforts with many people seriously
injured and a number of them killed. Company goon squads went after the leaders in brutal ways.
So when things were coming to a head the rulers made concessions in order to regain control.
That and getting into WWII.
Rand Paul, btw is not a person to trust. While he says some good things, he is a GOP and supporter
of the capitalist class. Like his father, his politics don’t seek control over the banks and Wall St.
Just a lot of talk. They both supported freedom of health choice but never did anything for it.
And they are racist to the core. It was one of the big reasons Paul won Tennessee. The man we
had in Congress who truly spoke for the people was Dennis Kucinich. When he ran for president
they refused to let him be part of the debates: they knew people who really a champion for the people
in him. After many years they got him out of congress by gerrymandering his district. But he is not
dead in the water and I expect good work from him on our behalf.
t
From: Christine Wyndham-Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:21 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Veterinary Question (was Michael Douglas)


ABSOLUTELY. The three political classes have utter contempt for anyone beneath them, including their own supporters. Got us locked...or nearly locked into a dictatorial regime that back in the 1930's it would never have been allowed to happen. I know it's the same in the US. I think we can both see where this is heading! Thank goodness we've got UKIP and I know in the US you've got Ron Paul. Sad, though, he didn't win.
The pharmaceutical industry is no doubt mixed in with all this, because they want total control of health. As I said, follow the money.
Their attacks on alternative health and homeopathy is an indication of that. They operate, too, on fear. So much so that people who should know better are afraid to speak out and think that by burying their heads and staying quiet the issue will go away. It won't though. What we need is a speaker as good as Nigel Farage, but for the homeopathic / alternative health movement. Nice to dream, isn't it! Just imagine them giving talks in schools, colleges, universities, radio, TV and newspapers. That is one way to fight without violence.
Regards
Christine

Mary, I guess I should have been more specific, sorry. If a homeopath SUGGESTS to an owner that a certain remedy may help their pet and the owner gives it, would this not (technically) get around the stipulation?
Sue

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, mary hughes wrote:

Susan - I guess you don't know facetious when you see it. I personally know Dr. Luc and he is not a fan of new drugs, new vaccinations, etc.
This is a facetious statement from him - sorry if you and maybe other misinterpreted it - if you read urther you will see.
He teaches people and has for decades to be lay homeopaths.
And in some ways, maybe he is fortunate with a medical degree, but in other ways he has suffered, and you have no idea because you don't know him
Sheri

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