Minutus

Don't worry, you didn't commit a crime. Spam legalities vary by country.
In the USA, this is NOT spam. In the UK, it may be.
Spam is legally permissible according to the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 provided it follows certain criteria: a "truthful" subject line, no forged information in the technical headers or sender address, and other minor requirements. If the spam fails to comply with any of these requirements it is illegal.
Also, you didn't send to individual email addresses, you sent it to the group.
Since we voluntarily joined this group there may be some unwritten legal clause that we agree to receive on topic messages. Your message is certainly ON topic!
Susan

It was permission to forward, from the copyright perspective of the writer.

But you also need permission to send it "unsolicited" to someone who did not ask for it.
The principle is that THEY pay the download, hard drive, email inbox, etc etc costs.. - not like snail mail where the sender pays (using a stamp). For email the receiver pays the costs involved, so the rules are set up so they can choose whether they want it or not.
For example Wifi download fees are by how much is downloaded; and computer, plus software and hard drive is all paid by receiver, plus ISP service..all of which are used to receive email at *receiver* cost - plus the time to handle email.
It's all part of why the rule is that it is not *automatically* okay to forward anything without the receiver's involvement. It's also why we must subscribe to lists and can't just get sent stuff from them without our okay.

I do not think any harm is done here - but that is the principe behind making spam illegal for example.
It is "unsolicited" email in which recipient pays but had no say in getting it.

(Not a big deal here - but a valid principle)
Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

We were not talking about spam, but you conveniently leave out the main requirement of this bad law courtesy of Bush - which is that if the receiver does not want it, they have the right to opt out via a link that MUST be provided in the commercial advertising being sent, and no more email may be sent after that. So it gives a spammer one free shot. Unless you already opted out for 5 years or opted out permanently at one of the FTC prearranged places to do so:
5 yrs: www.optoutprescreen.com.
permanent: www.optoutprescreen.com

None if it is relevant to the topic, which was not to do with Spam (commercial advertising) but unsolicited email in general.

Advertising of any kind (commercial or personal) is against Yahoo rules on all lists. Only Yahoo may advertize in a yahoo group by agreement when you join Yahoo and by agreement posted under all list emails (see the link below to Yahoo Groups Terms of Use) - it is a condition of free email lists at Yahoo.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Advertising of any kind (commercial or personal) is against Yahoo rules on all lists. Only Yahoo may advertize in a yahoo group by agreement when you join Yahoo and by agreement posted under all list emails (see the link below to Yahoo Groups Terms of Use) - it is a condition of free email lists at Yahoo.

According to Yahoo...
3. I am receiving some spam messages from a group that I think is an otherwise good group (and I wish to remain a member).

If you do not want to unsubscribe from a group but simply want to stop the spam, you can ask the group owner/moderator to moderate the messages posted to the group. Yahoo! provides moderators with the ability to moderate messages coming in to a group to block spam and other inappropriate messages (as well as the ability to restrict who can join the group in the first place). Yahoo! does not monitor the messages posted to groups, and we expect the moderators to make use of the moderation tools we provide them to ensure messages are appropriate.

To contact the moderators of a group, send email to GROUPNAME-owner@yahoogroups.com (replacing “GROUPNAME” with the actual name of the group).

Unfortunately, if the moderators of the group are unresponsive, your only other option at this time is to leave the group .
Susan

Advertising of any kind (commercial or personal) is against Yahoo rules on all lists. Only Yahoo may advertize in a yahoo group by agreement when you join Yahoo and by agreement posted under all list emails (see the link below to Yahoo Groups Terms of Use) - it is a condition of free email lists at Yahoo.

By including your link in every message you post, you have violated Yahoo's advertising policies because you are offering products and services for sale by embedding links within your "informational" pages.
Susan

Irene, let me offer three broad observations and ask you something.

(1) Your previous discussion with the former CHC (Now ACHENA) looks, on the face of it, largely justified, though the true history of the matter remains unevidenced either way to us bemused onlookers. I say largely justified because I've seen you many times accuse your correspondents of twisting your words simply in order that you can avoid owning up to those words and hold several mutually contradictory positions. But, on the face of it, and without evidence either way, it looks as though you have raised some points that should be of major concern to those who may accept the CHC as a body representing the standards of homoeopaths, points that the CHC should respond to.

(2) Be that as it may, you don't make clear the basis for accusing the ACHENA e-mail under discussion in this thread of being spam or for accusing Leilanae of forwarding spam. The e-mail she forwarded did not seem to include commercial advertising (as Susan, correctly I think, observes you yourself include in your posts to Minutus) but merely advice of free public access to a forum and provision of two, noncommercial, documents for public comment. It seems to me that your accusation may be without basis and may unnecessarily promote political correctness (i.e. conformity to the rules of the most skilled accusers of public immorality).

(3) I've looked over the two documents. Although I've noted and intend to communicate to the ACHENA (formerly the CHC) some concerns as to the slippery slope that the 2013 document offers into various styles of sympathetic magic; some important omissions; and the vagueness of some references, by and large it seems extremely thorough and almost wholly relevant to all homoeopathic practice.

Do you interpret the public notice or either of the documents as spam? And, if so, can you please explain that interpretation?

Kind regards,

John

I am mystified as to why that would be any more in need of "permission" than anything else posted to the list.
(And would anyone really be on a list such as this if they are paying for each downloaded email? Sorry, this is a sincere question. And personally, I hardly have solicited ANYTHING that comes into my email inbox. ??? )

The CHC is the council for homeopathic certification. It is different from ACHENA which is the accreditation commission for homeopathic education for North America, formerly chedu Achena and CHC are totally different organizations. The standards and competences were created by several organizations primarily taken from the European standards document. I believe the HAA homeopathic action alliance. aCHENA hosted the public forum in an attempt to receive public feedback in preparation of adoption. These are all public entities and the budgets, salaries for administrative personnel and operating expenses are available for public scrutiny. Except for administration to my knowledge it is all a voluntary non paid positions. The officers and members give a lot of time to trying to improve homeopathy in the USA. If you think the standards are flawed please go to the site and submit your comments.

Sent from my iPhone

I'm confused too.
It's my understanding that if an email asks for donations in any way, shape or form then it's considered spam. I got told off once for posting an email, based on Hahnamannian teachings, to a homeopathic list, which I thought everyone would have found really useful, but because it was a new newsletter and they were requesting any help from anyone, including donations, I was told it was spam!!! I wasn't too happy about that, especially since they weren't making donations a requirement. But I have cross-posted many emails to groups if I thought it would be of interest and provided I have permission to do so.
May be we should have some form of real clarity, because this issue is confusing many people.

Regards
Christine
www.homoeopathyclassical.com

Thanks, Maria. I was relying on the 2013 Standards document itself, which says "The Council on Homeopathic Education (CHE), [now the Accreditation Commission for Homeopathic Education in North America (ACHENA)]…", but perhaps somebody got it wrong in putting the document together.
And I have already submitted some suggestions via the e-mail address that appears in the e-mail message.

Christine, it seems to me that the requirement to include in regular commercial advertisements a link by which to unsubscribe from them is about all we can ask. If you're not regularly posting donation requests, your e-mails would seem to fall outside the domain of spam. And if an occasional suggestion of a donation slips through in a newsletter, what's the harm? As I see it, if we're too, too careful to censor ourselves in posting useful information, we'll tie ourselves up in knots over pure legalistic claptrap.

Cheers!

John