Minutus

One family , the patients of mine once complained that the fish in their aquarium are dying . They were using some pillules type medicine purchasing from allopathic store but of no use . Then I advised them pour some drops of FINAL MEDICINE you are taking for yourselves into the aquarium . They did and later they informed me that the fish are not dying .

--- On Tue, 20/11/12, Laurence wrote:
CORRECT . This is the reason the FINAL MEDICINE will be equally effective to all living creatures I have already got result in fish by applying in Aquarium .

--- On Sun, 18/11/12, jtikari wrote:
Hi sister Irene ,

" Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

You quoted the above line . Now I am quoting it , so that everybody can understand it by heart .

You described about genomics very nicely but I am requesting you please try to remember about physiology .

I said that body constituents of all human being are same -- what wrong in it ? It is in class 10th standard biology that C,H,O,N,S,P,K,Ca,Mg,Na,Mn,Iodine, Zinc,Tin,Molibd,Silver,Gold,Platinum etc.etc,etc. are the constituents of all human body .
Now we can try to find out the similarity here not in the symptoms Symptoms many times gives the vague impression . In my support please read the book " Homeopathy in Perspective -- A critical appraisal " by Anthony Campbell .

Anyhow my FINAL MEDICINE is the simillimum for all human being at any state of health . This TRUTH as early the human society accepts is better .
Thanks

Md Emdadul Hossain
www.finalmedicine.com

--- On Fri, 16/11/12, Irene de Villiers wrote:

Hi Irene

In our Indian culture we used to say sister to female and brother to male . Hahnemann in a preface of his ORGANON says "....physicians are my brethren...." , the concept is same . If you have any problem I am sorry .

The elements I mentioned as a body constituents is present in physiology book , please open once again .

Along with gene mapping and functions , its practical use is also mentioned in Genomics book . Do you prefer theory than practice ? Medical science is a practical science . Other than practice all discussions are JUNk . [ After my retirement I may join in ' junk ' discussions in a " Retired Persons Gossip Site " ]

Still I am in my working age ( you can see my recent photo in my website www.finalmedicine.com ) .

My " Final medicine " is open for test . If anybody want to TEST it , TASTE it .

Thanks .

Md Emdadul Hossain
www.finalmedicine.com

--- On Sun, 18/11/12, Irene de Villiers wrote:

Curse?
I gave you good advice; perhaps you need to listen more?

You can't help poor suffering humanity with empty promises and no science or studies of any kind - that MAY do more harm than good.
If there is science - or even a controlled study - in what you do, that's a FIRST step.

You have not yet taken that first step.
.......Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

I'm not Indian - (perhaps you can respect my culture as I do yours).
With formal methods of proving its worth, in order not to do harm.

You can see some of my practical work published in HPATHY International Homeopathy Journal.
For example in Nov 2009 issue.
It is properly documented and explained - unlike whatever you are doing.

Perhaps you should publish YOUR practical results for others to read and understand.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Does that mean the fish came from our same mother? So the fish are our brothers and sisiters, which means we eat our kin folk?
?,
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From: Md Hossain
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:27 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
One family , the patients of mine once complained that the fish in their aquarium are dying . They were using some pillules type medicine purchasing from allopathic store but of no use . Then I advised them pour some drops of FINAL MEDICINE you are taking for yourselves into the aquarium . They did and later they informed me that the fish are not dying .

--- On Tue, 20/11/12, Laurence wrote:
CORRECT . This is the reason the FINAL MEDICINE will be equally effective to all living creatures I have already got result in fish by applying in Aquarium

--- On Sun, 18/11/12, jtikari wrote:
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Western Allopathic doctors dont accept homeopaths because they are not scientific enough for their standards.
Not only they dont accept them, but they are mocking them.

Homeapaths (as I see here) dont seem to accept Md Hossain because he doesnt seem to be scientific enough for their standards...
Not only they dont accept him, but they are mocking him...

Funny enough, homeopaths are blaming allopaths for being close minded...
Isnt it empabarasing ladies and gentlemen?

--- On Wed, 11/21/12, Irene de Villiers wrote:

Dear Dimitri
Up to now we have only have had claims from Md Hossain!
He calls it Final Medicine and Homeopathic. Yet he shows no basis of symptom similarity - his only claim is that after his prescription, patients symptoms change according to Hering's Laws of cure. That on its own does not make it homeopathic.
Despite being asked a number of times, he has not told us anything about how he developed his Final Medicine, how he tested it, etc etc.
He has not published his results any where, there is no peer review and he does not answers questions about the Final Medicine - So understandably colleagues have become resistant to his claims.
Best wishes

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dimitri rolf
Sent: 21 November 2012 13:19
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
Western Allopathic doctors dont accept homeopaths because they are not scientific enough for their standards.
Not only they dont accept them, but they are mocking them.

Homeapaths (as I see here) dont seem to accept Md Hossain because he doesnt seem to be scientific enough for their standards...
Not only they dont accept him, but they are mocking him...

Funny enough, homeopaths are blaming allopaths for being close minded...
Isnt it empabarasing ladies and gentlemen?

--- On Wed, 11/21/12, Irene de Villiers > wrote:
From: Irene de Villiers >
Subject: Re: [Minutus] rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 6:19 AM
I'm not Indian - (perhaps you can respect my culture as I do yours).
With formal methods of proving its worth, in order not to do harm.

You can see some of my practical work published in HPATHY International Homeopathy Journal.
For example in Nov 2009 issue.
It is properly documented and explained - unlike whatever you are doing.

Perhaps you should publish YOUR practical results for others to read and understand.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Not sure if dimitri rolf is somehow related to MD Hossein or not, but actually, the same thought occurred to me. There is a lot of anger on this list suddenly. Anger is a symptom of fear. Admittedly, I also feel that MD Hossein is sometimes deliberately egging people on and twisting meanings, etc. But why communicate with him at all if his ideas are so far beneath your own concepts? Why buy into the goading and get into the fray? It feels like some on this list are enjoying expounding on their own "knowledge" of homeopathy or whatever else they are expounding on and, as such, end up as part of the game. This means you are putting yourself on a level field with Mr. Hossein, even as you are reviling him and his product. You are validating him by arguing with him. If, according to you, someone is making such utterly ludicrous statements as you are arguing he is making, why do you descend to "his level" over and over again and discuss such things? You are only giving him more power. Have you not noticed how he bounces back joyously with a comeback each time? Do you honestly think you are somehow going to change his mind by arguing with him and berating him? So what is your motivation then for continuing these discussions with him?

If someone were to tell me that I have 15 toes, I would surely not stop to check, and definitely would not stop to argue about it to make my point. I would give that person a wide berth and wonder what is `wrong' with him.

For my part, I cannot say if MD Hossein is for real or just a wannabe scavenger of gullible people. So far, he has shown no real cases or results that I have been able to find. He does have a way with seemingly twisting his sentences around so they suit his needs when he gets cornered in a 'discussion'. But it is also possible that he is not actually doing that. He could be for real and still be hard to take as a personality. Some people are just that way and often bring the same out in others. So many possibilities... I don't know, and I don't care.

I don't know enough about the Universe and its workings to say for sure how Homeopathy - or anything for that matter - works. And, near as I can tell, neither does anyone else. "Scientific" studies notwithstanding. They are all theory, just like everything else. Ask any of the scientists that did them. Nothing is set in stone. And, with the questions around who is funding these "studies", as well as the all too solidly shaky human factor of seeking glory at any price, I suspect they never will be.

I know I get good results much of the time with Homeopathy by following Hahnemann's rules. I don't always follow them and still get good results most of the time. But I also know that there is much we know not of. Actually, let me rephrase that: There is everything we know not of. It is all just theory. We *know* nothing for sure. Even Einstein admitted that.

So, having admitted that myself, I am not in a position to take sides, except to say to all please stop arguing and find your center of harmony. "Doctors" and "homeopaths" should be life-giving, healing influences, not fountains of ire and hatred. Life is too short (maybe) to waste it on such strife.

Peace to all and wishing those who celebrate it a Happy Thanksgiving.

Agi
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, dimitri rolf wrote:

The impression I am having is that there are no moderators
Saludos,

Dr. M. Franzreb Corbelletti
Castellana 171 Bajo izda., 28046 Madrid
www.drmarcofranzreb.com
Tel.: 914491957

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From: "szokia"
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:54:00 -0000
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Subject: [Minutus] Re: rosacea, lichen sclerosis, and candidia
Not sure if dimitri rolf is somehow related to MD Hossein or not, but actually, the same thought occurred to me. There is a lot of anger on this list suddenly. Anger is a symptom of fear. Admittedly, I also feel that MD Hossein is sometimes deliberately egging people on and twisting meanings, etc. But why communicate with him at all if his ideas are so far beneath your own concepts? Why buy into the goading and get into the fray? It feels like some on this list are enjoying expounding on their own "knowledge" of homeopathy or whatever else they are expounding on and, as such, end up as part of the game. This means you are putting yourself on a level field with Mr. Hossein, even as you are reviling him and his product. You are validating him by arguing with him. If, according to you, someone is making such utterly ludicrous statements as you are arguing he is making, why do you descend to "his level" over and over again and discuss such things? You are only giving him more power. Have you not noticed how he bounces back joyously with a comeback each time? Do you honestly think you are somehow going to change his mind by arguing with him and berating him? So what is your motivation then for continuing these discussions with him?

If someone were to tell me that I have 15 toes, I would surely not stop to check, and definitely would not stop to argue about it to make my point. I would give that person a wide berth and wonder what is `wrong' with him.

For my part, I cannot say if MD Hossein is for real or just a wannabe scavenger of gullible people. So far, he has shown no real cases or results that I have been able to find. He does have a way with seemingly twisting his sentences around so they suit his needs when he gets cornered in a 'discussion'. But it is also possible that he is not actually doing that. He could be for real and still be hard to take as a personality. Some people are just that way and often bring the same out in others. So many possibilities... I don't know, and I don't care.

I don't know enough about the Universe and its workings to say for sure how Homeopathy - or anything for that matter - works. And, near as I can tell, neither does anyone else. "Scientific" studies notwithstanding. They are all theory, just like everything else. Ask any of the scientists that did them. Nothing is set in stone. And, with the questions around who is funding these "studies", as well as the all too solidly shaky human factor of seeking glory at any price, I suspect they never will be.

I know I get good results much of the time with Homeopathy by following Hahnemann's rules. I don't always follow them and still get good results most of the time. But I also know that there is much we know not of. Actually, let me rephrase that: There is everything we know not of. It is all just theory. We *know* nothing for sure. Even Einstein admitted that.

So, having admitted that myself, I am not in a position to take sides, except to say to all please stop arguing and find your center of harmony. "Doctors" and "homeopaths" should be life-giving, healing influences, not fountains of ire and hatred. Life is too short (maybe) to waste it on such strife.

Peace to all and wishing those who celebrate it a Happy Thanksgiving.

Agi

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com , dimitri rolf wrote:

Homeopathy is VERY scientific and meets all the standards that allopathic doctors like, including double blind studies with placebos in place. SO - it is only ignorance and failure to read appropriate scientific publications about homeopathy, that cause false claims by allopaths as an excuse to call homepathy unscientific.
In fact homeopathy is MORE scientific than allopathy!
It is also based on principles of nature which are incontrovertible.

Allopathy has no principles behind it - just experiments in specific situations for a short time - not covering anywhere near the number of possible resulting dangers of use of its "medicines" - most of which do NOT heal, but only suppress anyway.
HOW is that scientific?
HOW is that healing?
People who were ignorant about the shape of this planet, used to mock those who called it a spherical shape.
Ignorance is not an excuse to pretend other people are incorrect.
Exactly.
WHat he has claimed so far, does not come up to the lousy scientific standards of allopathy, which at least would gave published experiments to read, some individuals treated, some not - much less does it meet the higher scientific standards of homeopathy, which actually *proves* its medicine (so that unlike allopathy it is known and PROVED in advance what sickness options the remedy can cure) AND homeopathy bases its laws on laws of nature.
You quoted MY post - yet I had not said anything about allopaths till THIS post, and it's factual not mocking.
For someone to pretend to have something AND want others to use it - with zero evidence?
Hahnemann would never have dreamed of doing that. Nor any self-respecting modern homeopath.
Or do you mean embarrassing for YOU to advertise your ignorance about the science behind homeopathy?

If the shoe fits ......

Bottom line - It is very reasonable to expect some tests and studies to be done and shown to the public by the developer of a new medicine BEFORE asking anyone else to believe in, or use, said new medicine.... and that is regardless what system of medicine is involved.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."