Minutus

One thing we homeopath always should remember that entire homeopathic system is dependent on faith and belief .

says emdadul Hossain.
I have treated umpteen animals with homeopathic remedies with great success.
I don't know how much faith and belief the animals had in homeopathy.
Jeff

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I've reason to believe they use science, but it is a bit advanced for me:-)
I work mostly with cats and MANY of them can detect a remedy even in very high potency - or perhaps especially in high potency. Whether the others detect it and do not care, or whether they do not detect it, I am not sure. But many of them are adamant that they KNOW and care what the remedy is, and whether it is right for them. They know whether the remedy is a match and whether the remedy is due for a dose or if it is too soon for one - and how big a dose they need. If you force a dose on a cat who says "no" to it, you *will* have either a severe aggravation or a proving to handle.

Unfortunately, my ability to speak cat, is nowhere near as good as the feline ability to detect remedy and I have not found out their secret - the WAY they detect a remedy - even in very high potency.

I am fascinated that they can do this, and would love to know what sense system is involved - has to be an energy sensing system of some sort. How cool?

The fact that they can do this, does rather make nonsense of any studies involving animals and "placebo". To a cat, some double blind pair of options would (to them) be labelled "placebo" or "remedy" in the equivalent of block capital letters. Same with any test with two different potencies, or two different remedies, etc. "Double blind" is not doable with them!

One day we may be able to ask cats to tell us what remedy the label came off of:-)

Universal remedy?
I suppose I should keep an open mind but I suspect the cats would find it a highly unnatural concept (as I do), though they might at least decode it for us as to ingredients.

Namaste,
Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Also infants and little kids, and (not my cases) people who are unconscious, or for other reason simply don't know that they are being treated.

But it is dependent on faith and belief in this one way, that if *practitioners and lay users* do not have enough faith and belief in it to *learn it and use it*, then no, it won't work. It only works when someone uses it.

Hi Irene;
Yes they do have have a sensitivity for remedy selection. Many moons ago I remember you telling me that a cat would also select the remedy appropriate for it's condition. I remember a great feline we had would jump up and sit on top of a travel kit I have with about 150 remedies in it, which i am sure was not all that comfortable a spot to rest. I saw her there many times during the last 6 months of her life and often wondered why as she had never done this before. Only too late did I see your e-mail siting this selective ability they have. I am now sure that somewhere in that kit was the correct remedy. Recently our male cat had a bladder infection which we denied the vet from use antibiotics on. Remembering your words and how awkward it can be to administer remedies to a cat, I daily set out a small fresh bowel of water with the remedy in it in his favourite sleep room. I noted he would only drink from that bowl, and now he is back to his everyday self of sleeping and sunning himself. OH yes and eating AHHH what a hard life. :> )-

bob

Hi everybody,
Thank you very much for the questions you are asking so politely . I would have asked vigorously if anybody say about that the action of homeopathic medicine depends on ' faith and belief ' . I did not mean that the action of medicine depends on faith and belief . Please read that paragraph again . What I wanted to say is that we have thousands of medicine in different dilutions ( potency ) -- can we identify which medicine it is and in what potency ? After proper case taking , individualisation , miasmatic diagnosis , repertorisation ( Radar and etc. etc.) we can select a medicine , suppose Zincum . Can we be sure that the bottle contains medicine, is Zincum ? It can be Aconite or in between Aconite to Zincum ! If the level mentioned 200 --- how can we be sure ? It can be 12c to 30c, 200c, 1m ..... infinity . Our whole effort depends on our ' faith and belief ' on the ' level ' , mentioned on the bottle . No ' Radar ' can identify what medicine the bottle contains and in what potency . If the medicine and potency being wrong then our whole effort will go in vain . Hope , now you can understand my words .
FINAL MEDICINE is the only one medicine and fixed in potency . Here is one option , either the bottle contains medicine or placebo . Both have beneficial action . Placebo gives benefit to some persons and " Final Medicine " gives to 100% .
Thanks .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain
www.finalmedicine.com

--- On Fri, 5/10/12, Bob Needham wrote:

Dear Emadul-Hossain
It is obvious that you have not heard of the research by Rustum Roy who has shown difference between remedies and potencies of the same remedy.
Obviously such differentiation requires care experimentation which is beyond you and I - but possible.
I would not have used the words 'faith & belief' but TRUST in the accuracy of the homeopathic pharmacy in correct labelling. And the fact that these remedies work as expected shows that the trust is well placed.
Sadly, all we have from you is your own declaration of how wonderfully your product works. But as it is not based on symptom similarity, it is not homeopathy as we know it. It is basically fits everyone. If that were case, perhaps it should be added to the water supply and then you have a healthy community around you and then declare what you have done!
Or you can take part in a variety of double blind trials where your medicine is given to half the patients in a hospital ward and we see what happens to them.
Having made such declarations, I am not sure what you expect the homeopathic community to do. Do you want us to purchase your medicine and prescribe to everyone?
If your claims cannot be substantiated by properly conducted trials, then I do not see any purpose being achieved by the continuation of this discussion.
Best wishes

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Md Hossain
Sent: 06 October 2012 13:06
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Hi everybody,
Thank you very much for the questions you are asking so politely . I would have asked vigorously if anybody say about that the action of homeopathic medicine depends on ' faith and belief ' . I did not mean that the action of medicine depends on faith and belief . Please read that paragraph again . What I wanted to say is that we have thousands of medicine in different dilutions ( potency ) -- can we identify which medicine it is and in what potency ? After proper case taking , individualisation , miasmatic diagnosis , repertorisation ( Radar and etc. etc.) we can select a medicine , suppose Zincum . Can we be sure that the bottle contains medicine, is Zincum ? It can be Aconite or in between Aconite to Zincum ! If the level mentioned 200 --- how can we be sure ? It can be 12c to 30c, 200c, 1m ..... infinity . Our whole effort depends on our ' faith and belief ' on the ' level ' , mentioned on the bottle . No ' Radar ' can identify what medicine the bottle contains and in what potency . If the medicine and potency being wrong then our whole effort will go in vain . Hope , now you can understand my words .
FINAL MEDICINE is the only one medicine and fixed in potency . Here is one option , either the bottle contains medicine or placebo . Both have beneficial action . Placebo gives benefit to some persons and " Final Medicine " gives to 100% .
Thanks .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain

www.finalmedicine.com
--- On Fri, 5/10/12, Bob Needham > wrote:

Dear Br Soroush
I have heard all these things but it has little practicality .
The matter of sadness is that you can trust an worker of a homeopathic laboratory or shop , but you cannot trust a fellow homeopath who has devotion for the cause of homeopathy . Neither I am insisting anybody to trust me nor I am trying to sell my product only . I already spent 31 years in homeopathy as a fultimer and I want to see it as the topmost therapeutic system in the world . Homeopathy will exist forever but it will never reach to the top position if it remains in its present state of practice . If the FINAL MEDICINE is being used worldwide then there will be no need of classification of therapeutic system . Only this medicine is sufficient for cure , prevention and health promotion for all state of health for whole mankind and animal . Only accidental emergency may need some special management as Hahnemann mentioned .
Many times you have said that I should give the medicine to the fellow citizen with water supply . Being a responsible person how can I do it ? I repeatedly says that this medicine is not for palliation , it is for cure . In each and every cases it will follow the " Hering's Law of Direction of Cure " . Those who do not understand the law they will stop taking medicine ( water ) , when old symptoms will start to reappear . So , there is no practicality of this idea .
Your fear of losing job of homeopaths is needless . Because every patient need proper guidance to take them towards cure , prevention from further damage of health and health promotion .
Many persons asked me , if it a universal medicine and no need of symptom similarity -- how it become a homeopathy . To understand the answer we have to take the help of a new subject Genomics . Microarray , a test to study DNA . With this test scientist has become able to say what are the diseases the person will suffer from in future . It is a presymptomatic state diagnosis . It is very early stage of disease which is easily curable . Symptomatic stage is a very advanced stage in many cases . If we can cure a disease in it's presymptomatic stage then why should we wait for the symptom to develop .
Me and my followers are getting !00% result . Now , it is the duty of all of the homeopaths to use and establish it as a homeopathic medicine . Otherwise , my medicine will be used but homeopathy may not get the credit .
Somebody asked me why I am not giving answers to all the questions . It is not true . A few months back I gave answers to your questions which you did not publish .
Still I have many thing to say . Actually it needs series of lectures .
If you do not want to continue the discussions , please let it be the last one .
Thank you very much .
Md Emdadul Hossain
www.finalmedicine

--- On Mon, 8/10/12, finrod@finrod.co.uk wrote:
Hi everybody,
Thank you very much for the questions you are asking so politely . I would have asked vigorously if anybody say about that the action of homeopathic medicine depends on ' faith and belief ' . I did not mean that the action of medicine depends on faith and belief . Please read that paragraph again . What I wanted to say is that we have thousands of medicine in different dilutions ( potency ) -- can we identify which medicine it is and in what potency ? After proper case taking , individualisation , miasmatic diagnosis , repertorisation ( Radar and etc. etc.) we can select a medicine , suppose Zincum . Can we be sure that the bottle contains medicine, is Zincum ? It can be Aconite or in between Aconite to Zincum ! If the level mentioned 200 --- how can we be sure ? It can be 12c to 30c, 200c, 1m ..... infinity . Our whole effort depends on our ' faith and belief ' on the ' level ' , mentioned on the bottle . No ' Radar ' can identify what medicine the bottle contains and in what potency . If the medicine and potency being wrong then our whole effort will go in vain . Hope , now you can understand my words .
FINAL MEDICINE is the only one medicine and fixed in potency . Here is one option , either the bottle contains medicine or placebo . Both have beneficial action . Placebo gives benefit to some persons and " Final Medicine " gives to 100% .
Thanks .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain

www.finalmedicine.com
--- On Fri, 5/10/12, Bob Needham > wrote:

Good medicine does not need trust as it has proven records.
You failed to publish any.
No it cannot say that.
Microarray analysis LOOKS for specific proteins and DNA but they do not determine what diseases an individual will get. At best - even assuming that the microarray is functioning as ideally as desired (which is rare) - they can suggest a specific acetylation or methylation position of an epigene, which in turn MAY predict a susceptibility to an illness. Most illnesses have multiple genes which are involved, and you'd need advance knowledge of which they are, to find them via microarray - and science is not there yet. It is early days.
But finding epigenes and their switch position is *not* predetermination of predicted illness.
An epigene can seem to be there for disease but the disease does not necessarily happen - and there are many possible reasons for this, including unthought-of genes controlling the situation. IN other words there is NOT the prediction of disease that you claim. We are not advanced enough in genomics - nor will be for a long time - to be ale to define the epigenetics of humans (or animals).
Microarray techniques may help elucidate more of it.....

Meanwhile miasms (are the same thing and) can be cured by homepathy principles.
At best you may know the position/presence of a gene that *predisposes* a disease.
It's not a disease due to presence of a gene. Disease is only a valid term when the epigene is *active* in causing dis-ease.
We are not at a point ion epgenetics that we can identify illness genes and either methylate or acetylate them to make them unavailable or available for implementation.
Even if microarrays could find the unwanted gene situations, that does not mean they can readily or inexpensively change the genes to some other setting.
Genetic engineering is not homeopathy:-)

[Please trim your posts - you had several old posts dangling below yours, to waste resources.]

Namaste,
Irene
REPLY TO: only
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Dear Emadul-Hossain
You seem to ignore the fact that those working in homeopathic pharmacies are either homeopaths themselves or under close supervision of one.
We do not seem to have any reports of mis-labling etc from any homeopathic pharmacy!
This is a point about which as a profession we can be proud of. (However, I am not pleased that most of them make combos.)
In terms of not answering questions - you have not explained how a 'one size fits all' remedy may be called homeopathic!

In my opinion it is not because there is no symptom similarity.
You have not given any information on its development or proving.
We have not seen any results from accredited sources about it performance.
You keep asking that we should believe you. It is a big ASK and without such detail, I would doubt much progress would be made.
So if you wish to continue to promote this final medicine as you call it, you would need to provide greater details and verifiable results.
Best wishes

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Md Hossain
Sent: 09 October 2012 10:21
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: (unknown) - A New Medicine (Final Medicine)
Dear Br Soroush
I have heard all these things but it has little practicality .
The matter of sadness is that you can trust an worker of a homeopathic laboratory or shop , but you cannot trust a fellow homeopath who has devotion for the cause of homeopathy . Neither I am insisting anybody to trust me nor I am trying to sell my product only . I already spent 31 years in homeopathy as a fultimer and I want to see it as the topmost therapeutic system in the world . Homeopathy will exist forever but it will never reach to the top position if it remains in its present state of practice . If the FINAL MEDICINE is being used worldwide then there will be no need of classification of therapeutic system . Only this medicine is sufficient for cure , prevention and health promotion for all state of health for whole mankind and animal . Only accidental emergency may need some special management as Hahnemann mentioned .
Many times you have said that I should give the medicine to the fellow citizen with water supply . Being a responsible person how can I do it ? I repeatedly says that this medicine is not for palliation , it is for cure . In each and every cases it will follow the " Hering's Law of Direction of Cure " . Those who do not understand the law they will stop taking medicine ( water ) , when old symptoms will start to reappear . So , there is no practicality of this idea .
Your fear of losing job of homeopaths is needless . Because every patient need proper guidance to take them towards cure , prevention from further damage of health and health promotion .
Many persons asked me , if it a universal medicine and no need of symptom similarity -- how it become a homeopathy . To understand the answer we have to take the help of a new subject Genomics . Microarray , a test to study DNA . With this test scientist has become able to say what are the diseases the person will suffer from in future . It is a presymptomatic state diagnosis . It is very early stage of disease which is easily curable . Symptomatic stage is a very advanced stage in many cases . If we can cure a disease in it's presymptomatic stage then why should we wait for the symptom to develop .
Me and my followers are getting !00% result . Now , it is the duty of all of the homeopaths to use and establish it as a homeopathic medicine . Otherwise , my medicine will be used but homeopathy may not get the credit .
Somebody asked me why I am not giving answers to all the questions . It is not true . A few months back I gave answers to your questions which you did not publish .
Still I have many thing to say . Actually it needs series of lectures .
If you do not want to continue the discussions , please let it be the last one .
Thank you very much .
Md Emdadul Hossain

www.finalmedicine
--- On Mon, 8/10/12, finrod@finrod.co.uk > wrote:
Hi everybody,
Thank you very much for the questions you are asking so politely . I would have asked vigorously&n=bsp; if anybody say about that the action of homeopathic medicine depends on ' faith and belief ' . I did not mean that the action of medicine depends on faith and belief . Please read that paragraph again . What I wanted to say is that we have thousands of medicine in different dilutions ( potency ) -- can we identify which medicine it is and in what potency ? After proper case taking , individualisation , miasmatic diagnosis , repertorisation ( Radar and etc. etc.) we can select a medicine , suppose Zincum . Can we be sure that the bottle contains medicine, is Zincum ? It can be Aconite or in between Aconite to Zincum ! If the level mentioned 200 --- how can we be sure ? It can be 12c to 30c, 200c, 1m ..... infinity . Our whole effort depends on our ' faith and belief ' on the ' level ' , mentioned on the bottle . No ' Radar ' can identify what medicine the bottle contains and in what potency . If the medicine and potency being wrong then our whole effort will go in vain . Hope , now you can understand my words .
FINAL MEDICINE is the only one medicine and fixed in potency . Here is one option , either the bottle contains medicine or placebo . Both have beneficial action . Placebo gives benefit to some persons and " Final Medicine " gives to 100% .
Thanks .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain

www.finalmedicine.com
--- On Fri, 5/10/12, Bob Needham > wrote:

Md. Emdadul Hossain,
If you are not going to divulge what your 'Final Medicine' is, I'm afraid I am ducking out.
I don't have blind faith in you so please count me out. I shall henceforth delete all your
mail unread.
Jeff Tikari

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Dear Br Soroush
I have heard all these things but it has little practicality .
The matter of sadness is that you can trust an worker of a homeopathic laboratory or shop , but you cannot trust a fellow homeopath who has devotion for the cause of homeopathy . Neither I am insisting anybody to trust me nor I am trying to sell my product only . I already spent 31 years in homeopathy as a fultimer and I want to see it as the topmost therapeutic system in the world . Homeopathy will exist forever but it will never reach to the top position if it remains in its present state of practice . If the FINAL MEDICINE is being used worldwide then there will be no need of classification of therapeutic system . Only this medicine is sufficient for cure , prevention and health promotion for all state of health for whole mankind and animal . Only accidental emergency may need some special management as Hahnemann mentioned .
Many times you have said that I should give the medicine to the fellow citizen with water supply . Being a responsible person how can I do it ? I repeatedly says that this medicine is not for palliation , it is for cure . In each and every cases it will follow the " Hering's Law of Direction of Cure " . Those who do not understand the law they will stop taking medicine ( water ) , when old symptoms will start to reappear . So , there is no practicality of this idea .
Your fear of losing job of homeopaths is needless . Because every patient need proper guidance to take them towards cure , prevention from further damage of health and health promotion .
Many persons asked me , if it a universal medicine and no need of symptom similarity -- how it become a homeopathy . To understand the answer we have to take the help of a new subject Genomics . Microarray , a test to study DNA . With this test scientist has become able to say what are the diseases the person will suffer from in future . It is a presymptomatic state diagnosis . It is very early stage of disease which is easily curable . Symptomatic stage is a very advanced stage in many cases . If we can cure a disease in it's presymptomatic stage then why should we wait for the symptom to develop .
Me and my followers are getting !00% result . Now , it is the duty of all of the homeopaths to use and establish it as a homeopathic medicine . Otherwise , my medicine will be used but homeopathy may not get the credit .
Somebody asked me why I am not giving answers to all the questions . It is not true . A few months back I gave answers to your questions which you did not publish .
Still I have many thing to say . Actually it needs series of lectures .
If you do not want to continue the discussions , please let it be the last one .
Thank you very much .
Md Emdadul Hossain
www.finalmedicine

--- On Mon, 8/10/12, finrod@finrod.co.uk wrote:
Hi everybody,
Thank you very much for the questions you are asking so politely . I would have asked vigorously if anybody say about that the action of homeopathic medicine depends on ' faith and belief ' . I did not mean that the action of medicine depends on faith and belief . Please read that paragraph again . What I wanted to say is that we have thousands of medicine in different dilutions ( potency ) -- can we identify which medicine it is and in what potency ? After proper case taking , individualisation , miasmatic diagnosis , repertorisation ( Radar and etc. etc.) we can select a medicine , suppose Zincum . Can we be sure that the bottle contains medicine, is Zincum ? It can be Aconite or in between Aconite to Zincum ! If the level mentioned 200 --- how can we be sure ? It can be 12c to 30c, 200c, 1m ..... infinity . Our whole effort depends on our ' faith and belief ' on the ' level ' , mentioned on the bottle . No ' Radar ' can identify what medicine the bottle contains and in what potency . If the medicine and potency being wrong then our whole effort will go in vain . Hope , now you can understand my words .
FINAL MEDICINE is the only one medicine and fixed in potency . Here is one option , either the bottle contains medicine or placebo . Both have beneficial action . Placebo gives benefit to some persons and " Final Medicine " gives to 100% .
Thanks .
Dr Md Emdadul Hossain

www.finalmedicine.com
--- On Fri, 5/10/12, Bob Needham > wrote: