Dr. Luc looks at what happened at conception and during pregnancy
http://www.homeopathysnc.org/luc_de_sch ... ention.htm
It would be more from how the dad affects the mom and her thoughts, I think.
also I think that he says that often a boy will inherit miasm of mom
and a girl miasm of dad
Sheri
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Liz Brynin
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Well, if there is nothing to compare with, then, as I said, I would go with what's presenting - try to keep it simple.
In any case, I wouldn't look for, or assume, that what you see is the only remedy they need - it may be, but they may have layer upon layer. It really depends what they bring to the consultation.
Liz
In any case, I wouldn't look for, or assume, that what you see is the only remedy they need - it may be, but they may have layer upon layer. It really depends what they bring to the consultation.
Liz
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Aha! So that's what you're about! naughty, naughty!!
Yes - I can go along with that - the 'ideal' concept of health has got to be a broad starting line, otherwise you can't repertorise any symptoms as part of the dis-ease. But I also feel that when you remove the uppermost disease symptoms you could find that another set of undesirable symptoms presents itself underneath. And then these have to be dealt with. I think it must be very rare to find someone nowadays that hasn't got some 'layers' to peel off.
Have you read Jean Elmiger's book " Rediscovering Real Medicine"? It's very interesting, if a bit sad, as he feels that the only way to achieve health is to to work back through all the layers of a person IN THE EXACT REVERSE ORDER they happened. Only if you do that can you get back to the healthy person underneath.
Which is fine if you can remember! What if your mother's dead? I know I nearly died when I was about two - had a serious disease and was hospitalised for several days. I still remember vaguely the dread I felt when someone woke me up to give me another injection - of what, I have no idea. It all happened in Borneo (where I was born and lived for 6 years and had lots of nasty vaccinations.) But what the illness was, or the treatment, or what vaccinations and in what order, I have no idea. So I'll never be well!! Boo hoo!
Liz
Yes - I can go along with that - the 'ideal' concept of health has got to be a broad starting line, otherwise you can't repertorise any symptoms as part of the dis-ease. But I also feel that when you remove the uppermost disease symptoms you could find that another set of undesirable symptoms presents itself underneath. And then these have to be dealt with. I think it must be very rare to find someone nowadays that hasn't got some 'layers' to peel off.
Have you read Jean Elmiger's book " Rediscovering Real Medicine"? It's very interesting, if a bit sad, as he feels that the only way to achieve health is to to work back through all the layers of a person IN THE EXACT REVERSE ORDER they happened. Only if you do that can you get back to the healthy person underneath.
Which is fine if you can remember! What if your mother's dead? I know I nearly died when I was about two - had a serious disease and was hospitalised for several days. I still remember vaguely the dread I felt when someone woke me up to give me another injection - of what, I have no idea. It all happened in Borneo (where I was born and lived for 6 years and had lots of nasty vaccinations.) But what the illness was, or the treatment, or what vaccinations and in what order, I have no idea. So I'll never be well!! Boo hoo!
Liz
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Re: more on constitutional
J: "Are you saying that a good homeopath can match sx similarity even though the client doesn't have the full blown sx picture. That's original!"
No patient ever has a full-blown sx picture. That's impossible. To give a remedy you don't need to have all the symptoms - or even all the keynotes - represented in the patient.
Liz
No patient ever has a full-blown sx picture. That's impossible. To give a remedy you don't need to have all the symptoms - or even all the keynotes - represented in the patient.
Liz
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Yes naughty indeed. Precisely the point being made with your case that apparently required endless dosing of Nat mur to suppress the sx. All the potential and undesirable sx that Hahnemann warns of when treating in the antipathic method - they are there underneath but if you abandon the case, who is to know?
Joy
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: more on constitutional
Because of that wide variety of use of the term "constitutional" I try to abandon the use of that word.
The "genotype" constitutional I was alluding to, I now call the "core" remedy. This links with a previous discussion about a "healthy remedy"..........
Of course a healthy person does not need a remedy; but it is his "engineering" that will determine his reactions to external and internal stressors, the symptoms he develops, the pathologies and diseases he can suffer from.
Example: a core Calc Carb could be nice, laid back person, centered on his home and family, happy with a bunch of kids and pets running around, a bit padded and not very muscular, not a bright genius but a steady, reliable and confident worker, a good neighbour........you see what I mean.
Pathology would start with Calc Carb symptoms until they evolve into others outside of the sphere of action of Calc Carb and then needing a remedy to bring him back to Calc Carb, finishing with the core remedy to recenter his health...................so in flu season, instead of Oscillococcinum or Influenzinum, this healthy Calc Carb person could receive his core remedy to help keep him in good health and cope with external stressors; that is the basic reasoning behind giving a "constitutional remedy to a healthy person".
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
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The "genotype" constitutional I was alluding to, I now call the "core" remedy. This links with a previous discussion about a "healthy remedy"..........
Of course a healthy person does not need a remedy; but it is his "engineering" that will determine his reactions to external and internal stressors, the symptoms he develops, the pathologies and diseases he can suffer from.
Example: a core Calc Carb could be nice, laid back person, centered on his home and family, happy with a bunch of kids and pets running around, a bit padded and not very muscular, not a bright genius but a steady, reliable and confident worker, a good neighbour........you see what I mean.
Pathology would start with Calc Carb symptoms until they evolve into others outside of the sphere of action of Calc Carb and then needing a remedy to bring him back to Calc Carb, finishing with the core remedy to recenter his health...................so in flu season, instead of Oscillococcinum or Influenzinum, this healthy Calc Carb person could receive his core remedy to help keep him in good health and cope with external stressors; that is the basic reasoning behind giving a "constitutional remedy to a healthy person".
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
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Re: more on constitutional
Elmiger is at the origin of Rudi Verspoor's Heilkunst methodology.
There are a few big problems with "going back in the exact reverse order".
First, as you said, we do not remember everything.
Then, some situations have been taken care of completely by our physiology and do not need to be treated. To do so would be unnecessary and potentially harmful.
Some situations supersede others even if they are in a different chronological order; a very traumatic event even in the far past might prevent less traumatic ones, more recent, to be expressed; those suddenly appear to everyone's surprise as soon as the older event has been dealt with.
As experience has shown me, it is good to have a timeline, as you know what could possibly be expected, but for treatment, it is a lot better, and simpler, to let the patient tell you, through his symptoms and signs, what needs to be treated now, do it, then deal with the next occurrence. I am now dealing with a lifetime of dental problems that were put on the back burner until I resolved all the other issues........and now they are back in force, demanding attention, as, hopefully, that will be my last hurdle................. I sure hope I will not have to deal with the trauma of circumcision, oh, boy........................
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com
There are a few big problems with "going back in the exact reverse order".
First, as you said, we do not remember everything.
Then, some situations have been taken care of completely by our physiology and do not need to be treated. To do so would be unnecessary and potentially harmful.
Some situations supersede others even if they are in a different chronological order; a very traumatic event even in the far past might prevent less traumatic ones, more recent, to be expressed; those suddenly appear to everyone's surprise as soon as the older event has been dealt with.
As experience has shown me, it is good to have a timeline, as you know what could possibly be expected, but for treatment, it is a lot better, and simpler, to let the patient tell you, through his symptoms and signs, what needs to be treated now, do it, then deal with the next occurrence. I am now dealing with a lifetime of dental problems that were put on the back burner until I resolved all the other issues........and now they are back in force, demanding attention, as, hopefully, that will be my last hurdle................. I sure hope I will not have to deal with the trauma of circumcision, oh, boy........................
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
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Re: more on constitutional
I would definitely agree with that with my 2 kids!!!
Rochelle
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Liz Brynin
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Re: more on constitutional
Very well explained, Dr. Roz!
Liz
Because of that wide variety of use of the term "constitutional" I try to abandon the use of that word.
The "genotype" constitutional I was alluding to, I now call the "core" remedy. This links with a previous discussion about a "healthy remedy"..........
Of course a healthy person does not need a remedy; but it is his "engineering" that will determine his reactions to external and internal stressors, the symptoms he develops, the pathologies and diseases he can suffer from.
Example: a core Calc Carb could be nice, laid back person, centered on his home and family, happy with a bunch of kids and pets running around, a bit padded and not very muscular, not a bright genius but a steady, reliable and confident worker, a good neighbour........you see what I mean.
Pathology would start with Calc Carb symptoms until they evolve into others outside of the sphere of action of Calc Carb and then needing a remedy to bring him back to Calc Carb, finishing with the core remedy to recenter his health...................so in flu season, instead of Oscillococcinum or Influenzinum, this healthy Calc Carb person could receive his core remedy to help keep him in good health and cope with external stressors; that is the basic reasoning behind giving a "constitutional remedy to a healthy person".
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com
Liz
Because of that wide variety of use of the term "constitutional" I try to abandon the use of that word.
The "genotype" constitutional I was alluding to, I now call the "core" remedy. This links with a previous discussion about a "healthy remedy"..........
Of course a healthy person does not need a remedy; but it is his "engineering" that will determine his reactions to external and internal stressors, the symptoms he develops, the pathologies and diseases he can suffer from.
Example: a core Calc Carb could be nice, laid back person, centered on his home and family, happy with a bunch of kids and pets running around, a bit padded and not very muscular, not a bright genius but a steady, reliable and confident worker, a good neighbour........you see what I mean.
Pathology would start with Calc Carb symptoms until they evolve into others outside of the sphere of action of Calc Carb and then needing a remedy to bring him back to Calc Carb, finishing with the core remedy to recenter his health...................so in flu season, instead of Oscillococcinum or Influenzinum, this healthy Calc Carb person could receive his core remedy to help keep him in good health and cope with external stressors; that is the basic reasoning behind giving a "constitutional remedy to a healthy person".
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com
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Liz Brynin
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Re: more on constitutional
Yes, I am sure you are right. I was profoundly sad at the end of that book because he makes it clear that you can only be fully healed if you know the exact order of events...and who can know it exactly?
Glad you don't think it's the only way!
Have you been gnashing your teeth too much, then?:):)
Liz
Elmiger is at the origin of Rudi Verspoor's Heilkunst methodology.
There are a few big problems with "going back in the exact reverse order".
First, as you said, we do not remember everything.
Then, some situations have been taken care of completely by our physiology and do not need to be treated. To do so would be unnecessary and potentially harmful.
Some situations supersede others even if they are in a different chronological order; a very traumatic event even in the far past might prevent less traumatic ones, more recent, to be expressed; those suddenly appear to everyone's surprise as soon as the older event has been dealt with.
As experience has shown me, it is good to have a timeline, as you know what could possibly be expected, but for treatment, it is a lot better, and simpler, to let the patient tell you, through his symptoms and signs, what needs to be treated now, do it, then deal with the next occurrence. I am now dealing with a lifetime of dental problems that were put on the back burner until I resolved all the other issues........and now they are back in force, demanding attention, as, hopefully, that will be my last hurdle................. I sure hope I will not have to deal with the trauma of circumcision, oh, boy........................
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com
Glad you don't think it's the only way!
Have you been gnashing your teeth too much, then?:):)
Liz
Elmiger is at the origin of Rudi Verspoor's Heilkunst methodology.
There are a few big problems with "going back in the exact reverse order".
First, as you said, we do not remember everything.
Then, some situations have been taken care of completely by our physiology and do not need to be treated. To do so would be unnecessary and potentially harmful.
Some situations supersede others even if they are in a different chronological order; a very traumatic event even in the far past might prevent less traumatic ones, more recent, to be expressed; those suddenly appear to everyone's surprise as soon as the older event has been dealt with.
As experience has shown me, it is good to have a timeline, as you know what could possibly be expected, but for treatment, it is a lot better, and simpler, to let the patient tell you, through his symptoms and signs, what needs to be treated now, do it, then deal with the next occurrence. I am now dealing with a lifetime of dental problems that were put on the back burner until I resolved all the other issues........and now they are back in force, demanding attention, as, hopefully, that will be my last hurdle................. I sure hope I will not have to deal with the trauma of circumcision, oh, boy........................
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com