Minutus

If viruses were malevolent beings consciously intent on killing, then
sure, that would be a canny strategy. However, it's more to any
organism's best interests to achieve homeostasis with its hosts, and
usually that's what happens.

Also the process is not one-sided: as the organisms are "staking out
new claims" and finding further hosts, those hosts are building up
their defenses. So homeostasis is the *norm*, and killer diseases only
short-lived exceptions. Wicked tho some have been *for a time*!

Shannon

My only experience is in the various cat flu's. I have this to report:

If one uses a remedy to build resistance to a cat flu, then the
prevention will be good for ALL forms of cat flu.
If instead the cat gets one version of cat flu, I have not seen it
protect against other versions!

The only explanation I can offer at the moment is that the
homeoprophylaxis builds better resistance as it is a potentised
substance.

I would thus AVOID the current flu, and instead use something like
Influenzinum 30C to boost resistance.

Namaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

At 03:29 PM 5/31/2009, you wrote:
but viruses are not alive.
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I have a theory about that.

First a few terms needed:
The brain, in a nontoxic state, tells Interleukin-2 (Il-2 for short)
in the thymus gland, to arrange for white cells called
macrocytes, .....which basically go do a pacman thing on virus invaders.
[This leads to a cascade of events called variously toxic shock or
cytokine storm.]

Problem with this kind of flu:
It specifically disrupts the above procedure and actually makes it
work backwards. What it does:
* takes over the macrocytes for its persona housing development and
procreation;
* sends toxins to the brain to shut it up;
* directly destroys the system for making Il-2

The worst part long-term, is the last item, the destruction of the
Il-2 making system. This is what vaccines do as well. Il-2 production
depends on a healthy thymus gland. Every time the thymus gland is
under attack, it shrinks in size and that reduces its potential
function for the future.

So the swine flu virus (and any other virus that causes "cytokine
storm" aka "toxic shock") damages the thymus production of Il-2.
This is a long-term damage, and would NOT make the person stronger,
and would make them weaker for a subsequent attack of anything
involving Il-2.

To prove this theory on long-term damage would require thymus study
and Il-2 level study - before and after swine flu.
However:
We DO know that the mechanism described IS used by the swine flu virus.
We DO know that other things that harm Il-2 production (like
vaccines) leave long-term harm where Il-2 is involved.

What I see as a further problem:
The fact that people are over-vaccinated in general, means they START
with damaged Il-2.
This makes them very susceptible to swine flu in the first place.
[Also explains why the MORE vaccinated young population is MORE
susceptible to swine flu, and more damaged by it.]

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Is there any research to suggest this?

The research I see shows ATTACK of Il-2 and not improvement in thymus
response after cytopkine-storm type flu.

Regular flu that does not involve brain toxin and macrocytes and Il-2
- ie no cytokine storm - is a totally different matter.
Which previous swine flu epidemic and year do you mean?

I do not believe that is why young people are more susceptible.
The Il-2 connection is much stronger as a correlation item.
Again I think this is comparing apples and oranges.
Swine flu's "cytokine storm" aspect puts it in a separate category
from things to which immunity is developed with natural diseases like
measles and chicken pox - There the research DOES show an increase in
Th1 cytokines like Il-2 during the illness when there is a natural
infection of measles or chicken pox. THIS is what confers immunity -
the increased Th-1 cytokines.
Swine flu specifically shows a decrease of the most important
cytokine for virus infection namely Il-2 - down to almost none!
This was likely NOT a cytokine storm flu, just a regular one, leaving
the immune system neither helped nor hindered.
definitely a cytokine storm type flu.
As I understand it, the use of aspirin suppressed the flu in a way
that drove it into pneumonia. Deaths were then higher in percentage
if there was pneumonia, but not all deaths involved pneumonia.
Cytokine storm does not cause pneumonia as such. But it does directly
cause death. It does so by toxic shock (a better term in my view and
it used to be the one used. Cytokine storm is a new fangled word for it.
Cytokine storm kills by interfering with the production of energy in
the mitochondria due to a toxic state induced by the virus starting
with toxin in the brain - which is where all functions including
immune functions are controlled in the individual.
The result is organ failure - mass organ failure of all the organs
due to lack of energy to run them. THAT is the direct cause of death
in these severe flu, not pneumonia. Pneumonia SPEEDS the process
however as that also reduces energy available to the body. Basically
the body "runs out of gas to power its organs" in cytokine storm type
illness.

Namaste,
Irene

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

At least as of when I was last in school (a shockingly long time now
) that was considered to depend on your definition of "life",
which at that time was still being debated (no, that was *after* the
dinosaurs!). Then how is it defined now?

But that doesn't matter to the question, as "in the best interests of"
doesn't depend on intention or any such. Point is that an organism
which kills off its hosts too quickly, will not be able to maintain its
population. This applies to organisms (viruses, bacteria, parasites)
but not to toxins, because the organisms need particular conditions to
maintain their ability to reproduce (which viruses certainly do), and
also to spread.

Shannon

Specifically swine flu, or which?
Does the simple presence of antibodies mean that this damage has
already been done to the person, or not necessarily? (What are other
situations that particularly involved Il-2?)

Have you found it to be reversible thru "regular" chronic homeopathic
treatment?

Shannon

Not only swine flu.
Also the 1918 flu.
Mostly the illnesses that involve cytokine storm can be very FAST
killers.

Do you remember way back there was a "tampax" scare with deaths from
toxic shock?
[There was a contamination of the tampons (not necessarily that
brand) that spread another example of this "toxic shock" or cytoikne
storm" approach of the virus.

So it is to do with a specific technique used by some viruses.
Each virus has a specific technique of attack.
I think Dengue fever may be another.
And feline FIP also uses it.
No the antibodies are more like crime-site fingerprints that say "It
was here" whatever "it" the antibodies match.
It is not proof of damage, just proof of having been present. There
may not even have been any illness - just "exposure".
One has to measure the immune system chemicals and see how balanced
or imbalanced they are to find what immune system damage was done.
Yds - measured by consistent health and resistance to recurrence - (I
have not had actual cytokine levels measured to prove it chemically.)
You have to move fast and match it well, and dose quite aggressively
(as often and in potency in tune with the advancement of disease to
beat it) - but then yes, that is the only way I know to reverse
immune system damage.

So far the first case of FIP to ever recover for example, in early
2003, is still healthy and shows resistance to stress incidents of
the kind that usually trigger FIP (not that he intentionally was
exposed to them, but stuff happens and did.).
Likewise the other recovered cases, have ALL so far had long-term
health - minor acutes here and there as is normal - but nothing to
suggest Il-2 immune system damage - if you can call 7 years in a
cat's life "long-term", that being the available experience I've had
so far.

Namaste,
Irene

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Is this a standard sort of test, that any local MD would be familiar
with, and would perform if asked? (In either case, what test(s) would
one be asking for?) I'm asking not because of any particular case, but
the connection with vaccine damage makes it seem like something worth
getting an understanding of.

What can set off cytokine storm besides certain organisms?
(Sorry for all the questions! )
Shannon

To my knowledge exactly the contrary Shannon. At least as a routine
test. There are tests used in research and I guess one can hunt them
down in theory. I googled this place for independent tests in MD for
example:
http://www.assaygate.com/Human_Cytokine_Assays.php
By the way there are a few dozen known cytokinesd so this is a subset.
Cytokine profiles are used in research quite often. The Russians seem
to me ahead of the game if anyone is. For example they already have
an artificial version of that all-important IL-2 (tradename
Ronkoleukin-2) .
(FDA will not allow it into USA even for experimental use when last I
checked about a year ago.)
In USa the only cytokine people make (and overuse - it does harm
instead of good if the natural supply is already high) - is
interferon. I've seen it used enthusiastically by vets with zero
checking of natural levels first.

I'd love to be able to request "A Cytokine Panel" the way we can do a
metabolic panel or a geriatric panel etc now - to use before and
after homeopathy cases. THERE would be our scientific proof of
homeopathy's efficacy in true restoration of both health AND
resistance to recurrence, in terms allopaths actually can swallow

An echogram of the thymus (which due to vaccines most doctors and
vets assume is "naturally atrophied after weaning") could help one
see damage by how shriveled it is. That one is less precise and not
enough unvaccinated individuals are about to show there is a
difference (by that method).
A difference HAS been proved with cyytokine level changes before
and after vaccination and also as compared with natural immunity as
opposed to vaccination's claimed immunity. (I am not as impressed by
antibody presence as are alloapaths, for measuring "immunity". They
have yet to explain to me why TB vaccine causes TB antibodies with
zero TB resistance for example.)
It is actually usual for a virus to do it. They have the gene code to
achieve it.
BUT the immune system must already be out of balance for it to succeed.

So assuming an out of balance immune system which is thus vulnerable
to attack (such as after vaccines) you then have to backtrack to know
what exactly triggers the virus attack at a specific time.

The reasons vary, and I do not know them all well, but I'll describe
the FIP one as I know it best:

The FIP virus (FIPV) is actually a mutant of another virus, FeCoV
(Feline Enteric Corona Virus).
FeCoV will be fond in the gut of any cat and may be there in very
low or very high levels. The level is not an indicator of its
propensity to mutate into FIPV but IS an indicator of general gut
health, and is thus a "stress" factor.

In cats, if there is a certain level of stress factors within a short
time period, that will trigger the FeCoV to mutate to FIPV.
Typical FIP-triggering stress factors are as follows and range for
emotional to physical to chemical stresses:
(and this is agreed by my extensive case experience and by
allopathic research alike.):
* Early weaning (before 3 or 4 months depending on breed)
* Change of home.
* Surgery especially before age 6 months (such as spay/neuter of very
young kittens as is now popular).
* Vaccines, especially before age 4 months and especially mutivalent,
and especially repeat of ones already given before.
* Antibiotics given during viral infectiojn
* Steroids
* Being reguloloarly harassed by another cat
* Excessive cage confinement.
* Crowding that disallows individual territory.
* Dewormers and other toxic medicines
* Being regularly bullied by another cat.
* Toxins in food or malnutrition or change of food.
* Removal of secure environment in some way.

MY finding is that there is no rule on how many factors need to be
there in what time, as it is variable by innate constitutiojnal type
and other factors, but a rule of thumb is that any three within a
month has a very high chance of triggering the mutation.

You can see from that why cat shelters are the main source of FIP
cases, and why most cases involve young kittens.
Crowded catteries or large catteries with early wean, spay and multi-
vaccine policy "for healthy kitten proof to buyers" are the next
most frequent source.
Occasionally an older cat gets FIP, usually because there was stress
like moving house or owner away a week, plus vaccines prior to going
to kennels (= home change plus maybe food change)... you get the
picture.

A typical scenario:
The average shelter kitten is weaned by the "backyard breeder" as
soon as it can eat (like tossing a baby out on the street as soon as
it can use a spoon) way too early, moves home by being dumped at the
shelter, gets an infection, hence antibiotics, dewormers, multiple
vaccines and whatever junk food was donated to the shelter - and is
then re-homed to a new owner, all in days!
Several weeks later the unsuspecting new owner wonders why the
kitten is suddenly so pot belied and muscle-weak and sway-back. The
vet assumes the pot belly is worms and adds dewormers and antibiotics
for good measure, and maybe an updated vaccine or two, and in two
days the little one may be dead.
They are welcome - how else to learn new stuff:-)

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."