Crataegus tincture

[Shannon Nelson]

Is overdosing a concern even with a gemmotherapy remedy of an herb
which is apparently nontoxic? (E.g. crataegus?)
Shannon

[Irene de Villiers]

In my opinion yes, as it is with any herb. It is material dose and
therefore possible to overdose and/or get side effects. The remedy is
chemical in nature unlike homeopathic potentized remedies which have
energy only.
There's a difference between toxicity and overdose for a medicinal effect
too - toxicity has to do with an adverse chemical effect to cause damage
in some area other than the one to be treated. Overdose is different and
involves overstimulation in the area where you want an action. The heart
is not a good thing to overstimulate

As for gemmotherapy - if you read Dr Rozencwajg's book it explains this is
good detail, and has examples to illustrate.

Namaste,
Irene
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[Hennie Duits]

If I remember correctly what I learned, Crataegus has a cumulative
effect (that is, it builds up its effect over time).

Hennie

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[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Irene, this sounds very reasonable, and since I have zero
experience with crataegus I am not inclined to argue! But I'll just
add, we'd been specifically told the "no toxicity" part specifically
with reference to the powdered berries (so possibly different when
using other parts of the plant) on the basis that they are also used as
a food, and (according to our speaker) nutritive rather than medicinal
(my words, based on what I understood at the time).

Hennie wrote: "If I remember correctly what I learned, Crataegus has a
cumulative
effect (that is, it builds up its effect over time)."
Thanks for that also. Tho, any vitamin or food therapy might be
expected to be "cumulative", in that it's (presumably) correcting a
longstanding *deficiency*, which would take time...

But again, I'm not trying to argue against the idea of caution! Just
sort of trying to think thru my prior understanding. But of course
where there is *any* uncertainty, caution is certainly in order--thanks
all for the further thoughts!
Shannon

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Let's put it that way: Crataegus is pretty innocuous, so is water........and I do not want to experiment with a heart remedy (or any other) in concentrated form even though I THINK (but do not KNOW for sure) it would take a few liters of the concentrate taken at the same time to get to toxic effects.
I do not mind a few more drops here and there, but I am never cavalier with remedies, why should I?
I managed to drink too much green tea one day, headache and polyuria are definitely symptoms for a proving......I do have lots of respect for my herbs and homeopathics........
OK???
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and comments.

[Shannon Nelson]

Yep, makes sense.

[Irene de Villiers]

?
Not sure what you are getting at here.
Cumulative can be physical or in terms of effects?
Physically only oil soluble vitamins can accumulate to some extent
(if overdone).....
but water soluble ones are excreted not accumulated, for example Vit
C is usually gone in 4 hrs (for any not actually consumed by the
body. So I am not sure what you mean by "cumulative".
Vitamins and minerals are different from herbs in that the body is
DESIGNED to handle them, there is a specific complex usage and
metabolic process for each of them.
With foods (and herbs) there is a general (not specific) process
that may or may not handle them well.

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Rochelle]

The only problem I have found with Crateagus tincture is that it should be taken after meals as it can upset the stomach in sensitive individuals!
Rochelle
Registered Homeopath
EFT(Advanced) Practitioner
www.southporthomeopathy.co.uk

[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Shannon,
Hawthorne berries as a food??

We used to have plenty of hawthorne in Germany (something went wrong,
do not remember what, and it has bevome rare now) but I have never
heard of them being used as food (it has been widely used as a heart
medicine - made from the ripe berries)

Regards

Luise

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[Hennie Duits]

In my book, cumulative would mean that if you take 5 drops a day for
three weeks, the effect will be small on day one and grow a bit stronger
each day.

Hennie

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