Persistent dream

[Rosemary Hyde]

How does she feel during or after the dream? How does she feel about the
fibroid?

Rosemary

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

May I suggest you ask her what that dream means to her (and push her deep into explanations) and what feelings/emotions that dream brings on?
After all, shouldn't we treat dreams like any other symptom, by understanding why it is there and what it means instead of focussing on the literal description of it? Like "my skin is red" would be used differently if it is from exposure to sun, allergic reaction or direct trauma........add to this modalities as when does the dream comes, in relation to something, or nothing, that has happened or is bound to happen, and you have a set of usable facts.
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[Michael]

I asked her what the dream means to her, she said she
needs to think about it. The only emotion from the
dream is fear when she sees the airplane exploding and
burning.
We do treat dreams like any other symptom, as dreams
have rubrics which can be used for repertorization.
But can we fully understand what a dream means? Only
in some approximation. And do we need to understand
it?
Isn't it enough to have 1) sensation (contents of the
dream to find a rubric in the repertory), 2) modality
("when does the dream comes, in relation to
something"), 3) concomitants (emotions/feelings the
dream brings, events before or after the dream)?
If we go too far in interpreting dreams and looking
for their meanings, won't it be hallucinating, in NLP
terms? And is it necessary to interpret dreams in
homeopathy?

Best regards, Michael

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[Gail]

Hi Michael,

Thankyou for this interesting idea, I never specifically thought of
applying modalities and concomitants to dreams.

I was thinking along the lines of the timing of the dream - is it
anticipatory fear before she travels or (as her presenting complaint
is uterine fibroid) is the timing of it related to her menstrual
cycle.

I think that sometimes exploring a dream can help us understand the
patient's underlying delusion, which is at the centre of what needs
to be cured.

Gail
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[Luise Kunkle]

HI JROZ,
Since you ask for it:-)

I do not think that anyone so far has enough knowledge about dreams to
"know" what they mean. So it would be interpretation, by the patient
and/or by the therapist. And interpretation is very prone to
misinterpretation. Medard Noss, the famous Swiss psychiatrist, wrote a
book "The Analysis of Dreams", where he discusses his own analysis and
compares it with that of Freud and afair also of Jung. I am sure there
are other approaches - which appears to show that there is no
agreement even between the experts.

Regards

Luise
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[Irene de Villiers]

Luise Kunkle wrote:

Except that they DO mean something - and quite often a discussion with
the dreamer can bring that meaning out. Perhaps the technique used is
relevant so as to ask questions that may bring out the meaning - and not
to "lead" the dreamer in any specific direction.

A friend of mine seems to be especially good at this and has more than
once asked me questions such that I figured out with what felt like
certainty to ME as the dreamer, why I dreamed certain things.

So in my opinion dream interpretation must feel right to the dreamer and
be their interpretation (in their circumstances on their base of
experience and knowledge) - perhaps encouraged by the right questions -
but not the interpretation of an outside party, who has different
experience, knowledge etc. Dreams after all are part of the experience
of the dreamer only.

.....
The part where I have difficulty is in interpreting the dreams of my cats:-)

Namaste,
Irene
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

That is exactly my point which perhaps I did not make clear: WE do not have to INTERPRET other people's dream as it would put our emotions and system of belief inside the patient, but we must rely on what it means to the patient, the same way we ask for details when a patient says "I feel yuck"............there is no "yuck" in the repertory..........or "my stomach hurts"........which often means the abdomen but sometimes more precisely the organ itself.
Impartial observer, as much as possible, and the only way to remain that is to dig, dig, dig,.......
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[Helen Tucker]

When I was training in clinical psychology, I learned various ways of
interpreting dreams. The method that I used the most was exactly what you
suggested: finding out what the dream means to the client, and what
emotions and desires were felt in the dream.

The philosophy behind this method is that our conscious mind suppresses a
great deal of emotions and desires. When asleep, this suppression relaxes,
and we finally allow ourselves to feel these fears, pains, desires, guilt,
and emotions we won't allow otherwise. As with all suppression, whether
physical or emotional, the disease gets driven in deeper. Dreams allow us
to get a glimpse of the deeper dynamics, and could give us a clue to the
"core delusion" might be. I think they are very much worth examining.

The way we inquired about the dreams was to ask for the definition of each
entity or item in the dream, as well as each action in the dream. Then ask
for the definitions of key words in each definition, if necessary."

For example, I might ask, "I'd like to know what each part of your dream
means to you. How would you define "airplane"?"

"It's a very heavy vehicle that helps you get from where you are to where
you want to go very, very quickly."

"What does 'heavy' mean to you?"

"Laden with weight, pulling you down."

"What does 'crash' mean to you?"

"To hit something heavy so hard that part or all of you is destroyed."

"So in your dreams, you are riding on a vehicle laden with weight, pulling
you down, trying to get from where you are to where you want to go very
quickly. And it hits something also very laden with weight, that causes
part or all of you to be destroyed? And how do you feel in your dreams when
that happens?"

"I feel fear, but also relief."

Then you can look at life events to see if something like this has happened.
Perhaps the person started a new school or a great job that feels "heavy"
and cumbersome that she is afraid would eventually hit bottom, and destroy
part or all of her life. Yet at the same time, she longs for the relief of
leaving this job.

That is just an example. In my limited experience, these dream
interpretations often led to very poignant insights about deeper fears and
desires.

Hope that made sense.

Helen

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

The patient has the ability to understand/feel the meaning of the dream for himself, and even if it is wrong, the pattern of reasoning and the emotions raised by the dream can give important clues.
I would not try to "interpret" someone's dream and certainly not use my personal view of it as an instrument to find a remedy.
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Brilliant! Thank you!
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD, NMD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
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