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Shannon Nelson
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Re: tetnus prevention

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Nice article, Sheri!
Also, some might be interested in this detailed article on tetanus that
Will Taylor sent some years back. It's full of statistics and other
details that appeal to some types of minds. :-) (like mine!)
Shannon

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:04:10 -0400
To: "homeopathy@lyghtforce.com"
From: will taylor

Worldwide, there are an estimated 300,000 - 500,000 cases of tetanus
per year. The tetanus bacillus survives best in soil rich with organic
matter in hot, damp climates, and is more prevalent in densely
populated regions. It is rare in polar regions and relatively uncommon
in the northern temperate zones.

There are less than 100 documented cases of tetanus in the U.S.
annually. The majority of U.S. cases are in persons over 50, and only
5% of U.S. cases are in persons under 20 years old (i.e., there are
less than 5 cases per year in children and adolescents in the U.S.).
The highest incidence in the U.S. is among the poor in the southern
states. Necrotic skin ulcers, burns, surgical wounds and IV drug use
may create anaerobic lesions that invite a disproportionate number of
tetanus cases; but it may also complicate simple lacerations and
puncture wounds, dental infection, otitis media, miscarriage and
abortion, and infection of the umbilical stump of newborns.

In the years just prior to widespread vaccination, there were approx.
500 tetanus cases in the U.S. per year. Some of the subsequent
decrease can be attributed to vaccination, and some to reduced exposure
and continued improvements in wound care. About 87% of U.S. children
have received a primary series of tetanus vaccination, and temporary
immunity is confered transplacentally to newborns from vaccine-immune
mothers. Adults often do not receive the CDC (U.S. Centers for Disease
Control) recommended tetanus booster vaccinations, and 1/3 to 2/3 of
adults 60 or older lack circulating tetanus antitoxin antibody.

The case-fatality rate of tetanus world-wide is 45%, and in the U.S. is
about 30% for persons over 50, and less than 5% in persons under 50.
When symptoms occur within 2-3 days of injury, the mortality rate nears
100%. In 20% of morbid cases, death is attributable to the the direct
effects of tetanus toxin, through cardiovascular and pulmonary events.
Pneumonia related to aspiration and atelectasis is a common late
complication, and is the major immediate cause of mortality following
tetanus. Most survivors recover completely within 4 weeks. Natural
infection typically does not confer immunity.

Conventional medical management of tetanus will reflect the severity of
the case, but involves both conservative/supportive measures that even
Hahnemann or Ernest Farrington would not frown at, including
intensive-care-unit nursing and observation, debridement & drainage of
the originating wound, IV fluid & electrolyte management, avoidance of
respiratory secretion aspiration, tracheostomy in more severe cases and
bedside preparation for this in milder cases. I think it's important
to realize that conventional medical care in most parts of the world
monopolizes access to this level of supportive care, with the allopathy
as a side-dish. In addition to these supportive measures, allopathic
pharmacologic management involves administration of human or equine
tetanus immune globulin, mild sedation and pharmacologic management of
muscle spasm. These measures do reduce the case-fatality ratio.

Those less-than-100 cases per year (happily) don't give many of us
experience with this illness. I've seen only one case, in a burn-unit
patient, way back in my residency days. Even back when there were 500
cases/year in the U.S., and in regions where this is a more prevalent
disease, it is unlikely that any individual will accumulate any real
experience in treating it.

Read the Materia Medica on Ledum and on Hypericum in J.T. Kent, M.L.
Tyler, and J.H. Clarke. I don't find in the literature a plethora of
cured tetanus cases, but there is mention of a few. An anamnesis of
the collective pathological symptoms of tetanus certainly does bring up
Ledum and Hypericum as front-runners in the treatment of individual
cases of this disease. I would be hesitant to tackle it without
recourse to the supportive measures of hospital managment.

Will Taylor, MD Homoeopathy Website at:
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Pauline Ashford
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Re: tetnus prevention

Post by Pauline Ashford »

Thankyou Shannon you expressed pretty close to what I was trying to say originally except you were clearer Pauline
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Sheri Nakken
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Re: tetnus prevention

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At 06:51 AM 6/26/2007 -0500, you wrote:
Sorry to say I don't have that one or remember it.
Anyone?
Sheri
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Re: tetnus prevention

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At 06:51 AM 6/26/2007 -0500, you wrote:
Sorry to say I don't have that one or remember it.
Anyone?
Sheri
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: tetnus prevention

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Hi Sheri,
It's part of my post! I think you trimmed reflexively (good habit!),
and trimmed away the article itself. (If it's not there, I'll try
again.)
Shannon


Irene de Villiers
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Re: tetnus prevention

Post by Irene de Villiers »

Pauline Ashford wrote:

Maybe you missed the statement to which I responded, claiming that
sterile gases could go through a wet dressing.

>

It is the quantity of oxygen needed to prevent tetanus that we are
discussing - and the oxygenation of cells via ECF is NOT sufficient to
prevent tetanus bacterial growth in a puncture wound.

Tetanus WILL grow in a puncture wound covered by a wet dressing, there
is no "sterile gas" going into the wound through any wet dressing bar a
few immaterial molecules (the oxygen instead dissolves in the liquid and
bacteria may swim through it at their leisure, and down into the wound
to add more trouble to what was there before.)

My words were not from lack of knowledge as you imply; I was a
microbiologist and cell physiology research person before I came to
homeopathy.
Applying sterile dry gauze to a dirty wound keeps the old dirt in,
and any new dirt out, so not a lot of help :-) However, if the wound is
well cleaned, a DRY sterile gauze dressing can keep additional debris
and dirt out, and allows air through. It's of questionable help in a
puncture wound as that by definition is deep and will be closed.
As soon as a gauze dressing is wet, it is no longer doing the job of
keeping new dirt and debris out, instead acting as a conduit for new
bacteria - and it no longer allows air (or oxygen) through.
There are reasons why an approach works - sometimes in spite of mistaken
ideas, rather then due to them. In this case the effectiveness of
homeopathic remedies is what "works" :-) Trying to add oxygen to a
puncture wound is a nice theory but the very nature of a puncture wound
prevents it. We need to rely on correct understanding of puncture wounds
and tetanus dangers, and use homeopathy - and indeed it works well -
including to help expel any foreign matter that the body can not resorb
and handle internally.

Namaste,
IRene
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: tetnus prevention

Post by Irene de Villiers »

Irene wrote.

Sheri Nakken wrote:

I've found it more effective to use both, especially if the wound is
caused by a cat bite for example. A few decades of the approach at cat
shows has converted many people (and their cats after that) to
homeopathy as it is so effective.
....only as needed. Most times that is 2 or 3 doses only. But after
something like a cat bite, it is a serious issue and the repeated remedy
has prevented a lot of "blood poisoning" as well as tetanus. It may be
that less dosing would have also been effective - and it would be proper
to adjust according to specific circumstances but nobody had an
aggravation from remedy nor a failure of success to date by this
approach, so I think it wise to err on the side of caution in something
so potentially serious as tetanus.
this.
I think you missed where I said "aqueous" dose.
I agree that it is essential.

Namaste,
IRene
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Sheri Nakken
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Re: tetnus prevention

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At 08:39 AM 6/26/2007 -0700, you wrote:

I don't agree for humans. Even a different potency could stop the effect
of the remedy
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: tetnus prevention

Post by Irene de Villiers »

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:

Hi Shannon,
I think you are being influenced by allopathic fear-mongering. I
would have NO hesitation providing information that advocated against
tetanus shots. (I do not directly advocate for or against - that's too
close to prescribing - I do provide information that can influence a
decision, in my role as an information councellor.)
My own experience alone should be enough to scare the daylights out
of anyone thinking of it:-))
I was hospitalized for months with a slow reaction developing to an
arthus reaction hence to preventing all digestion of food - and was kept
what was loosely called "alive" by controlite and other horrors. I
eventually left the hospital (thankfully they needed the bed) and used
vitamin therapy to come right slowly. (I did not know homeopathy in the
early 70s. I worked in allergy research at the time.)
I've ONLY seen problems from the tetanus shot and would not hesitate
to tell people that. I have ONLY seen success with homeopathy after
puncture wounds of all kinds and I don't hesitate to share that either.
The *decision* on what to do is based on information - I like to
provide good information - and I expect the person to get information
from however many sources they need to feel comfortable.

But perhaps we are less far apart than you though:
It's not enough in my book as it is one-sided. It's also important to
give them lots of information on how useful and effective and safe
homeopathy is instead.
I have the advantage that I work by email, so "my homeopath said...."
can always be proven in writing as to what I actually said.

It's SUCH a pity that the damage of the tetanus shot does not cause as
much fear in allopaths as does our fear of litigation as homeopaths, for
helping people avoid it!

Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: tetnus prevention

Post by Irene de Villiers »

Sheri Nakken wrote:
Sheri,
It seems not to do so.....
It does that only if it is the wrong remedy or wrong potency to be
effective. Where there is a serious puncture wound, it is as if the body
is soaking up any remedy it can get to help it heal. In the cases of
puncture wounds I have seen - a lot of them (all in people) - it has
been most effective, and I say the proof of the pudding is in the
eating. It is obvious from the response in the person, whether to
continue frequent dosing or when to taper off. It's not blind dosing.

I do understand what you mean about different potency or remedy
antidoting - but it happens more in chronic disease where you are trying
to nudge the life force gently - not so much in acute emergency as with
a puncture wound. Technique and indeed potency is very "forgiving" in
such situations, and if anything I find it is better to err on the side
of giving more remedy doses and risking aggravation than to err on the
side of too little remedy and risking failure.

So often too, one has not got the ideal potency handy at the time -
but in emergency, in an acute case, whatever is handy will generally
help if not suffice completely. Lots of experience (of others and
myself) has led me to use Ledum 30 and Hyper 200 in puncture wounds in
the dosing approach I suggested.
It needs to be individualized according to severity in emergency
acutes - but there is judgement in that, and again I'd simply err (if I
have to) on the side of risking aggravation over that of risking the
alternative from too little remedy.

I do think that acute cases are much easier to judge and much more
forgiving of misjudgement or even of poor selection of potency or remedy.

Namaste,
IRene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
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