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Re: POLL Hahnemann, Homeopathy and Organon

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:41 pm
by Shannon Nelson
:-) *You* know it, at any rate.

Many of our remedies that have been in long use have only information
from poisonings and "crude substance" effects.
As I said--because we already *have* the proving of crude substance, in
form of the physiological effect, and effects of organ damage.
repeat--not guesswork if one knows the physiology and toxicology.

they are very commonly used by certain naturapaths, chiropractors and
others--organ "concentrates" and "extracts", usually from either pig or
cow. You take it as pills, and can be very helpful--in normalizing
function of the organ. (From long-past personal experience.)

Re: POLL Hahnemann, Homeopathy and Organon

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:31 pm
by Joy Lucas
It is important for ALL to realise this isn't homeopathy, it is antipathy and if you want to read the condemnation from H then read stanza 59 onwards

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/provings

Re: POLL Hahnemann, Homeopathy and Organon

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:59 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Different situations...
Aph 59: "Important symptoms of persistent diseases have never yet been
treated with such palliative, antagonistic remedies, without the
opposite state, a relapse... occurring a few hours afterwards."

Replacing what *ought to have been there* (vitality to the organ) is
not "antagonistic"--and when necessary to save the patient from death,
would be hard to call it "palliative" either...

Should we also refrain from rehydrating fever patients?
What about a pt whose (for e.g.) thyroid gland has been destroyed,
whether by disease or surgery. Shall we tell them not to take
replacement hormones, on the theory that the simillimum should be able
to handle it? I was taught that, once the gland is destroyed, the
simillimum can *not* do the job. I have heard of thyroid sarcode doing
some good in the situation, tho doubt it could do the whole job, since
it would seek to stimulate an organ no longer able to respond. The
situation for Irene's cats is similar, except that the organ is not
*quite* destroyed yet, and the sarcode is evidently able to sustain it
to recovery. Pretty cool in my book, whether you call it "homeopathy"
or "a crucial addition which turns 'incurable' cats into 'curable'
ones". But additionally, it seems to me reasonably within the
definition of homeopathy--not to argue with Irene's description of it
as "nutrition". :-) That's the thing about a "holistic"
approach--those boundaries are just not all that clear, sometimes...

Re: POLL Hahnemann, Homeopathy and Organon

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:23 pm
by Joy Lucas
your lack of faith in homeopathy (for the totality of the sx pertaining to what needs to be cured) bowls me over - maybe if your practice were more experienced and based on that you might have a different perspective - who knows

so I'll leave you with your sarcodes and hobby approach to homeopathy - I'm off to join Sheri's list where we can exhaust ourselves in more vital, important and pleasant ways - where we won't have to regularly prop up Hahnemannian homeopathy to the disillusioned.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/provings

Re: POLL Hahnemann, Homeopathy and Organon

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:52 pm
by Shannon Nelson
I hope you'll stay long enough to tell me how you figure "lack of
faith" relates with Irene's experience, that those who get the support
live--at least some 50%, whereas those who do not, *all* die. To
ignore that observation, Joy, to me is incomprehensible.

I am truly sorry that you folks choose to leave, rather than
accommodate--IMO it is a loss for all concerned...

Re: POLL Hahnemann, Homeopathy and Organon

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:05 pm
by Irene de Villiers
Fran Sheffield wrote:

I'm still using sarcodes as supports, not simillimum in the few cases
where I use them.
That they are potentized to a small degree, is beneficial; whether that
directly or indirectly affects the biochemical level or how to explain
why or how it helps, I don't know - but results show that it does affect
and help the organ/tissue. We can make guesses on how it helps - it
seems perfectly reasonable to me that a somewhat potentized version of a
damaged organ/tissue will be similar to it and help it, but that's a
guess. Either way, to support regeneration of damaged tissue in critical
cases, I'm making use of it where appropriate.

I do not think supports all have to be biochemical. Moral support is
also not at that level. Nor Reiki, nor BAch remedies nor many forms of
energy medicine. That does not make them inappropriate for assisting the
patient as "supports" where indicated.
Who are we to say food is not potentized by all that cytoplasmic
stirring and whirring that goes on in any live tissue, plant or animal?
Maybe it ALL works at an energy level and not "biochemically". The
latter is after all just an assumption:-) It's not proven either.

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re: POLL Hahnemann, Homeopathy and Organon

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:42 pm
by Simon King LCPH MARH
Is Sheri's list going to be a Yahoo-groups list?
"The obscure we see eventually. The completely obvious, it seems, takes longer."
Edward R Murrow

Re: POLL Hahnemann, Homeopathy and Organon

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:24 pm
by Luise Kunkle
Hi Joy,
Well, I am glad I have at long last found at least ONE homeopath who
checks all the symptoms he/she uses against "Allen's Encyclopedia of
Pure MM" or, where the proving is not yet listed there, the other
provings where it is, in order to find out whether the symptom has
ever come out in a proving.

Any homeopath who does not do that kind of checking - and, as I said,
you are the first I know or have heard of who does - will not know
whether the symptoms they use are derived from provings or from other
sources. The MMs or Reps do not say so. None of them, except Hughes.

Regards

Luise
--
One thought to all who, free of doubt,
So definitely know what's true:
2 and 2 is 22 -
and 2 times 2 is 2:-)
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Re: POLL Hahnemann, Homeopathy and Organon

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:41 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Irene,
What potency(s) do you use of the sarcodes?
Shannon

Re: POLL Hahnemann, Homeopathy and Organon

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:53 pm
by Sheri Nakken
it is google groups and only open to 5th & 6th edition prescribers or
students or those who are seious about it.
Sheri

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