[hpe] Urgent: FDA Guidance for CAM Products and Regulations

[Tanya Marquette]

Shannon,

Rima Laibow had put out several weeks ago that there were 4 bills in
Congress
designed to gut the DSHEA regs plus several in state legislatures,
including 4
in NYS. Irene de Villers wrote a few days ago about the vote. Following is
from her post:

S.3546 is the the "Dietary Supplement and Nonprescription Drug Consumer
Protection Act" and "Adverse Event Reporting" bill.
This new law pretty much reverses the effects of the hard-won DSHEA act
of 1994 which was designed to protect access to supplements and
remedies. Thank Sen Dick Durbin for the dastardly S.3546.
It was defeated TWICE at congressional level and then they devised the
midnight scheme to get it through:
1.03am Brief debate in house.1.42am YEas and nays called for.
Vote was a clear no and many opponenets of the bill went home - assuming
it was well defeated.
3am Head count called to ensure the yea/nay had indeed defeated the
bill. Officially there's a five minute time limit for contring votes and
at that poinmt the vote was no.

But BArton continued on till the head count was such that those still
present could make the bill pass - een thouigh 100 congreemen has
specifically votred against it earlier.
Nor did it go to a hearing as it should have done. It was just sneaked
through, and our dear President Bush duly signed it into law.

When I tried to find out more information prior to the vote, I could not.
Perhaps because I did not have the bill number or name. But I am
sure,now that the Dems have left the chamber, all will be available.

tanya
and Regulations

[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Tanya, I had missed that.
But then Irene--what was the source of the information?
Why didn't members of congress protest?!?!?!?
Shannon

[Kathleen Ramsey]

You seem to read something into every post you reply on, from aliens to abortion. You are very colorful to say the least. Have you thought about living in a different country? This is negative energy and not very productive so let’s get back to healing and homeopathy. If you want to continue this take it off group because it is now personal. Thanks Kathy
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tanya Marquette
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 6:33 AM
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Minutus] Re: [hpe] Urgent: FDA Guidance for CAM Products and Regulations
Kathleen,
I think it quite telling that you accuse me of paranoia. It informs

me of the level of awareness that is lacking on your part. And how

would you know what I do or don't do,much less whether I am negative

or not. Well, I am very negative about the state of this country and

the state of the world. I do not trust this country and its propaganda

at all. And I do many things in my life to participate in staving off

the final tyranny which is fast encroaching upon us.
I don't know how you can continue to believe in your 'free' world when

we have just lost the protection of habeas corpus. Or a vote in Congress

can be redone over and over until it produces the desired effects of the

most totalitarian elements of this society. So far, no one cares whether

you isolate on a mountain top and plant almond trees, but what will you do

when they begin to care?
I will leave you with words of a few thoughtful folk that have significant

experience:
Unless you become more watchful in your States and check this spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive privileges, you will in the end find that the most important powers of Government have been given or bartered away, and the control of your dearest interests have been passed into the hands of these corporations: Andrew Jackson, farewell address, 04 March 1837
"What no one seemed to notice. . . was the ever widening gap. . .between the government and the people. . . And it became always wider. . . the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting, it provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway . . . (it) gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about . . .and kept us so busy with continuous changes and 'crises' and so fascinated . . . by the machinations of the 'national enemies,' without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. . .
From Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955)
They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening : George Orwell
"Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner." -- James Bovard - 1994 Source: Lost Rights. The Destruction of American Liberty (St. Martin's Press: New York, 1994), p. 333
"It bothers me that the executive branch is taking the amazing position that just on the president's say-so, any American citizen can be picked up, not just in Afghanistan, but at O'Hare Airport or on the streets of any city in this country, and locked up without access to a lawyer or court just because the government says he's connected somehow with the Taliban or Al Qaeda. That's not the American way. It's not the constitutional way.": Laurence Tribe - Carl M. Loeb University Professor and Professor of Constitutional Law, Harvard University - Source: interview on ABC's Nightline
We are confronted with the necessity of a battle which must be continued until it has been won. That choice has already been made for us, and we have no option to simply wish it away. Malcolm X
and on these words of some notable people, I will leave this conversation.
tanya