Repeated high Potencies

[Shannon Nelson]

Well, just to make things a little bit murkier...
I was taught that you can *also* aggravate by going too low (tho I
understand that as meaning "too low" within the high potency range, but
I don't know), and that some people will aggravate from LM, but not
from Cs. The explanation I was given (for each case) was that the rx
is strong enough to "stir things up", but not strong enough to move
them out. The only person I've *seen* this (apparently) happen with
was my son, who has never aggravated to anything *except* on two
instances where I felt 10M was indicated (he's healthy and young; the
symptoms were mostly M/E level and extremely intense, and an extremely
close match to the remedy, all of which I was taught as indications for
going high), but I wimped out and gave him 200c. It was interesting,
tho, an odd sort of aggravation; sort of a draggy, fussy,
just-can-get-it-together sort of aggravation. A few weeks later I
gathered my nerve and gave 1M, which smoothed things very nicely; few
months later not all had happened that I'd expected, and I followed
with 10M, and from there he did great for a very long time (year and a
half, I think?).

So--he's had *many* doses over the years, and the only two that ever
aggravated, were two where I "wimped out" and went "too low"! But--I
am *not* suggesting that's the case with Emily's patient. I too would
be way too nervous to go higher, but would feel fine about either same
potency in water dose, or moving down to 6. Emily, keep us posted!
Shannon

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[Sheri Nakken]

At 08:58 AM 3/19/2006 -0600, you wrote:

I see aggravations from LM's and have seen it from 6C in water and had to
dilute even further - 2nd dilution cup, 1/2 tsp, or droppers - ie my mom is
on 5 drops from first dilution glass. And as Hahnemann and others report,
some can only do olfaction or topical.
The explanation I was given (for each case) was that the rx

I haven't had any problem moving things out.

The only person I've *seen* this (apparently) happen with

200C is notorious as a potency that causes aggravations.
(I saw it in several patients before I went to water potencies)
In the last almost 2 years, I've only used 6C, 12C in water or LM's for
constitutional cases.
I use 30C or 200C in water for acutes (or higher)

A few weeks later I
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Sheri,
Then probably you were not going "too low"! And I *think* it's an
uncommon situation...

But it's funny, I've used 12c on my son successfully, but for acutes
and for chronic when I either don't have or am not ready to "commit" to
a high potency, and they work for him (usually). So it seems to me
that the issue may be more complicated than just "too low"... I wonder
whether 200s have gotten that reputation simply because so many people
use it as a "default potency", and safer for adequately trained but
less-experienced prescribers--which is exactly what happened in my
son's case. In other words, I wonder how much of that reputation has
been gained simply because it's more apt (than other high potencies) to
be given as a sort of "cop-out" potency, not necessarily because it's
really the *indicated* potency? (*Not* that I would change my practice
of avoid 10M unless I am really, really certain!!!)

Shannon
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[Tanya Marquette]

i have been lurking quietly and enjoying much of the conversation lately.
regarding potencies i can attest to the situation where too low a potency
created agg but 200c was just fine. i had the phrase "in each individual
case" drummed into my mind and that is what i try to follow. the standard
taught was to try and evaluate the sensitivity of the pt--a very hard and
intuitive thing to do as we know. my current personal homeopath is always
low-balling
potencies for me--they never really work and i always go up the scale.
the last rx proscribed only came in lower potencies and it was a dud for me.
perhaps, a higher potency would have worked.

tanya
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Tanya,
Do you care to say any more about when a low potency aggravated for
you, but not 200c? Does it seem that the lower potency might have been
over-repeated, or did it seem that the potency just wasn't resonating
right for you? (Re the one that came only in low, did you try using
succussed water doses, by any chance? Maybe "plussing up"?)
Shannon

[Tanya Marquette]

i recall years ago being given a 12c i believe as a constitutional. i was
to take it daily i think. it was lyc and created major chocolate cravings
which i did not have previously. since eating disorders is a major problem
for me, this was horrifying. years later, working with another homeopath,
lyc 200c was a very good rx for me at that time with no agg. i often
questioned whether the first prescription was wrong at the time but
judging from my personal reaction to rx, i would now say it was clearly
the wrong potency and the wrong homeopath!

tanya
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[Shannon Nelson]

Interesting, thanks! It seems very possible that the problem was
over-repetition, rather than the potency per se. Just FWIW, when I use
repeated low for chronic case, I have the person observe what improves
after the first dose, and not repeat until things begin to backslide,
or if the prefer, just before backslide *would* begin. I'm not sure
I've ever seen 12c *need* to be repeated daily, tho I'm sure sometimes
it might be; more typical has been four days, but in one case only
every week-and-a-half! (And I know that sometimes the interval can be
much longer, even.)
Shannon
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[Tanya Marquette]

the problem i had, primarily, was that the homeopath insisted i
continue with the rx. at that time i was very new to constitutional
work experience and had decided that i would take direction from
the homeopath--who presumably new more than me. ultimately, i left
his practice and his teaching. i wont go into my old anger and
sense of betrayal that i felt but suffice it to say that i never take
anyone's
judgement of what to do as gosple truth no matter who they are.

i don't think the daily reps were the problem. i am convinced it was
the potency and possibly the right rx at the wrong time. as previously
noted, my constitution allows me to do repeat rx without agg. i have
done this with both low and high potencies. i have also given low potencies
daily to others on occasion without agg and positive results. again, i
can only refer to this adage "in each individual case."

BTW, what is FWIW?

tanya
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[Sheri Nakken]

At 09:59 PM 3/19/2006 -0600, you wrote:

In water potencies, anything is possible
Sheri
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[Shannon Nelson]

(FWIW="for what it's worth"--sorry for the alphabet soup!)
Yeah... I can relate!
Thanks!