Minutus

Hi Theresa,
Thanks for your response.
It is helpful and may ask more questions? I need a little more
enlightenment! BElow ....

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "theresa partington" wrote:
H2002 has pretty much expressed my views if i had had them formulated.
spheres, and are represented in the repertories. Many homeopaths do
have some training in psychotherapy and diet, I agree, and can
advise/treat within limits of their competence and use their knowledge
to inform their practice. Consideraton of maintaining causes is
totally legitimate and often leads us there. There are limits though,
defined by training and competence, which i don't think are always
observed.
discussion of the after life (albeit sheds!). The idea of judging how
'advanced' spiritually someone is, or the identification of karma with
miasms; the idea of consciously influencing someone's karmic
development with remedies; the concept of treating someone/thing that
is dead on the grounds that life goes on or that the love of others
give it a residual life that is therefore still treatable; remedies to
remove malign spiritual presences - all this really.

+++OK I accept - this is certainly crossing the line here.
SPiritual development is separate from homeopathy in terms of choice
of remedies. I don't think anyone, except God can know exactly where a
person is spiritually. There are no artificial stages becasue each
persons developemnt is different. I dont think I understand any
mechanism by which someone can rmeove "Spiritual Presences" or
consciously influence "karmic development".

MAybe this stems from confusions about what vital force is and what is
teh scope of a homeopathic remedy. Both are energy - but giving them
unbriddled scope is making a human being and human spirit
unnecessarily vulnerable to negative influences in the atmonspehere
that may have nothing to do with a remedy! To me It would result in
the effect of un-indicated homeoapthic remedies prescribed
indiscriminately.
what we are doing homeopathy, or think that being homeopaths
necessarily qualifies us to do these things.

+++ I completely agree with you here!

Many of my patients are church goers, witnesses, Buddhists,
spiritualists etc and I think I can do my job perfectly well without
taking charge of that area of their lives! I would be pleased if
someone developed more awareness of the ethical or spiritual side of
life in the course of their homeopathic treatment, but I would not
have prescribed remedies specifically for that, I don't think, or on
the grounds that they 'needed' to think differently about those things
and it was my job to see that they did.. There are a lot of grey
areas, I admit.
+++ Again I completely agree. For me a grey area woulld be to see
someone spiritually struggling and where my advise would defintiely
help. If they were non-Christian, I would suggest that they learn some
yoga techniques of meditation and relaxation. If they were Chrsitain
like me - i'd tell them a Christian way of working things out - but
would leave it to then to find what was suitable for themselves and
make their own choices, follow their own Spiritual growth - there are
innumerable opportunies for them to do so.
for want of a better term, but in the past we had doctors who passed
judgement on patients' lives and moral and spiritual welfare in a way,
I agree with H2002, that would seem quite abusive and intrusive now,
however well-meant at the time.

+++This is something I don't understand at all. DUH! No expereince
with it.
Is there any way you could spell this out for me a little more? What
are some of these situations? how do they become abusive or intrusive?
thanks!

could deal with the gods on equal terms: a kind of arrogance.

+++OK, thanks! Arrogance - right! As I told Dr H earlier, for me the
hallmark of a truly SPiritual person is true humility and sincere
compassion for others (among other characteristics of lesser importance).
Thanks for your reply!
Leela

Dear Leela,
Well, we all seem to agree about it all really, but perhaps have different experiences about what kind of things get done in the name of homeopathy in our respective countries. I wish I hadn't come across the practices i describe, but i have, and have sometimes been regarded as if i had an unecessarily restrictive view of homeopathy!

Re your comments below:

There was a time when someone who did not go to church weekly might be regarded as a sinner by GP and others and that might be held to be partly why they were ill. A doctor faced with an unmarried pregnant girl might take it upon himself to inform the priest or just treat her as a sinner , with implications of separation from God, rather than merely as a pregnant woman. Alcoholics and criminals and even in some cases the poor, were regarded as sinners and in need of spiritual help which often came on the back of medical help. Every doctor who worked in a culture where patients were regarded as 'heathen', would be effectively to abusing them - may even have made conversion the price of medical treatment. This is all from the western christian historical perspective, but i am sure moslems would have a similar story to tell and certainly traditional medicine men of the 'witch doctor' variety. Although doctors here are often forced into moral and ethical judgements that are controversial, i don't think this spiritual judgement and intervention happens here now in the conventional medical sphere.
Theresa

Leela wrote:
for want of a better term, but in the past we had doctors who passed
judgement on patients' lives and moral and spiritual welfare in a way,
I agree with H2002, that would seem quite abusive and intrusive now,
however well-meant at the time.

+++This is something I don't understand at all. DUH! No expereince
with it.
Is there any way you could spell this out for me a little more? What
are some of these situations? how do they become abusive or intrusive?
thanks!
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Dear Teresa,
Thank you very much for this. I did not realise that the medical
profession took it on themselves to make these judgements. In fact I
would think, the person i would be willing to talk about this would be
a doctor because they would not judge me ...

Yes I"m sure its different experiences. I don't think I have
expereinced anything of the sort within my Church or Christain doctors
here.
In fact the Church (institution) has ben a refuge for people like
those you mentiond below. It has been society that has ostracised them
more. IT really pains me to hear stories like this about the Church
and its actions - legalistic and bereft of love. When actually the
Church SHould be a refuge of love!

BUt apart from that, a homeopath has NO place in making judgements of
this kind. Except if some behaviour pattern is hampering treatment and
progress.

Right - now I've no idea where "New Agers" fit in with all this. ANy
ideas? I sincerely hope this is not affecting any sensitivites. If it
does, please tell me privately.
Thanks,
leela
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "theresa partington" wrote:
different experiences about what kind of things get done in the name
of homeopathy in our respective countries. I wish I hadn't come across
the practices i describe, but i have, and have sometimes been regarded
as if i had an unecessarily restrictive view of homeopathy!
be regarded as a sinner by GP and others and that might be held to be
partly why they were ill. A doctor faced with an unmarried pregnant
girl might take it upon himself to inform the priest or just treat her
as a sinner , with implications of separation from God, rather than
merely as a pregnant woman. Alcoholics and criminals and even in some
cases the poor, were regarded as sinners and in need of spiritual help
which often came on the back of medical help. Every doctor who worked
in a culture where patients were regarded as 'heathen', would be
effectively to abusing them - may even have made conversion the
price of medical treatment. This is all from the western christian
historical perspective, but i am sure moslems would have a similar
story to tell and certainly traditional medicine men of the 'witch
doctor' variety. Although doctors here are often forced into moral and
ethical judgements that are controversial, i don't think this
spiritual judgement and intervention happens here now in the
conventional medical sphere.

In treating this poor ol' shed, what symptoms would be we prescribing
on, and how might we expect the shed to express its improved level of
health?
Shannon