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Hi Ellen

re the Sehgal books, they are very very cheap. I purchased a complete set from one of the Indian
publishers and it was as usual much cheaper than in the west. I have 11 volumes, and they are quite
small, so, check out the Indian publishers for these.

Sankaran discusses Sehgal's work and he studied it and drew inspiration for his own work from these.
So, yes, they are similar, however Sehgal was the initiator and Sankaran has taken it even further.

If you study Sakaran's method, and read/study Sehgal, you should be well equipped in my opinion.

Best

Robyn

"The fact is we need any and every way of finding the right remedy; the simple simile, the simple
symptomatic similimum and the farthest reach of all - the pathologic similimum, and I maintain that
we are still well within the lines of Homoeopathy that is expansive, progressive, science fostered
and science fostering." (Dr. J. Compton Burnett)

That's my problem probably - I'm very literal - never did get the
interpretation thing - just too many pssibilities to my mind
Simon
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Hi Simon,
I don't think it is a problem. You know how your mind works and you layout a framework well suited to your mind. We all have to do that or we would all go mad in different ways.
Blessings,
Ellen

Dear Ellen,
The late Dr. Sehgal wrote a series of booklets. They are titled "Rediscovery of Homoeopathy". All of them are good to read but to get familiar with the concept you must first read the series 1, 1A, and 2. The other volumes are for those who know the basics.
B.Jain and IBPS from India supply these books.
And an important point. Revolutionized homeopathy (Sehgal's method) is not similar to Sankaran's method. These are totally different, although they have some common aspects.
Sincerely,
Feras
Ellen Madono wrote:
Dear Feras,
What did you think of the books? Would you suggest some or all of them? Which one should I start with? If I am working on the Sensations of Homeopathy, do are need them? Are you saying that the method cannot be learned from the books? I like books better than seminars. Can't afford the travel or the cost of seminars yet. Just looking at the website, it looked like an elaboration of Rajan Sankaran's Sensations of Homeopathy which looks to me like a deepening and clarification of classical homeopathy. It is something that you work out over years of tinkering and thought. Not a cookie cutter method.
Blessings,
Ellen
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Hi --- I'm still pondering over this case from Dr. Seghal's website ....


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I have to admit I'm baffled, as I would choose "Cautious" over "Careful" from the
description he gives of why he picks certain rubrics over others (see below). A
moot point perhaps, but if you look at the x-references also, then at least half of
them could also be chosen instead [carefulness; conscientious about trifles; fear,
happen, something will; insecurity; reserved; suspiciousness; timidity]. I could also
query not using "Cautious, anxiously" as a rubric, as laughter often masks anxiety,
but apparently not so in this method.

His evaluation -
CAREFUL : One can be careful while doing something.
CAUTIOUS : Cautious before the event arrives.

It still reps out to Bar-c. I can see how clever this is in a 5-20 minute interview
when time is of the essence and you have to see a characteristic to prescribe on.
But what about the ear stuff? Is it completely ignored, or does he use it, [eg. Ear
pain, general with 428 rubrics], or does he look at the sensation, sides, and the
modalities, listed below for Bar-c, or is it completely ignored ???

EARS; PAIN; general (428)
EARS; PAIN; general; left (133)
EARS; PAIN; general; right (153)
EARS; PAIN; general; right; left, then (8)
EARS; PAIN; general; night (45)
EARS; PAIN; general; blowing nose, on (18)
EARS; PAIN; general; lying; agg. (21)
EARS; PAIN; general; lying; agg.; side, on painful (14)
EARS; PAIN; general; extending; outward (60)
EARS; PAIN; general; about (103)
EARS; PAIN; general; front of (45)
EARS; PAIN; general; behind (187)
EARS; PAIN; general; behind; right (25)
EARS; PAIN; general; behind; touch; agg. (3)
EARS; PAIN; general; behind; turning head (1)
EARS; PAIN; general; below (37)
EARS; PAIN; general; meatus, external (133)
EARS; PAIN; boring (K308, G258) (81)
EARS; PAIN; boring; right (K308, G258) (20)
EARS; PAIN; boring; front of (K309, G258) (5)
EARS; PAIN; crawling (1)
EARS; PAIN; drawing (K310, G259) (111)
EARS; PAIN; drawing; night (K310, G260) (4)
EARS; PAIN; drawing; front of (K311, G260) (4)
EARS; PAIN; drawing; behind (K310, G260) (28)
EARS; PAIN; pressing (K311, G261) (157)
EARS; PAIN; pressing; right (K311, G261) (14)
EARS; PAIN; pressing; right; left, then (K311, G261) (1)
EARS; PAIN; pressing; lain on, ear (K312, G261) (2)
EARS; PAIN; sore, bruised (K312, G261) (68)
EARS; PAIN; sore, bruised; below (K312, G261) (5)
EARS; PAIN; stitching (K313, G262) (247)
EARS; PAIN; stitching; left (K313, G262) (48)
EARS; PAIN; stitching; behind (K314, G263) (62)
EARS; PAIN; stitching; below (K315, G263) (12)
EARS; PAIN; tearing (K315, G263) (175)
EARS; PAIN; tearing; left (K315, G264) (25)
EARS; PAIN; tearing; front of (K316, G264) (22)
EARS; PAIN; tearing; behind (K316, G264) (59)
EARS; PAIN; tearing; behind; right (K316, G264) (4)
EARS; PAIN; tearing; behind; touch agg. (G264) (1)
EARS; PAIN; twinging (K316, G265) (24)
or
EARS; BOENNINGHAUSEN; internal, labyrinth (108)

I would love to be able to understand this 'eastern' approach, as it seems to cut to
the chase, and in a busy practice it would be a godsend. I have his books, but
found them difficult to absorb - about 90% or more of the people I see have a
"desire for light", so I find it hard to prescribe on this - desire for dark would be
easier !!

I also know several people who have independency/dependency issues ["Desire to
be carried + fast] - but the Seghal method does not seem to allow for the polarities
within the human psyche either. I would gladly use it if I could see it - I attended
a lecture on it once, and could see that it was potentially red-hot if one could get
into the correct mindset. Maybe practitioners of this particular art have fashioned
their understanding of either some rubrics, or the polychrests in a way I have not
understood - nonetheless, I remain open to taking more in before I would risk it
on a px.however. Taking three rubrics from the M/E level alone seems a mighty
big step for me at the moment!

regards, Barbara
-- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Feras Hakkak wrote:
Homoeopathy". All of them are good to read but to get familiar with the concept
you must first read the series 1, 1A, and 2. The other volumes are for those who
know the basics.
similar to Sankaran's method. These are totally different, although they have some
common aspects.
Which one should I start with? If I am working on the Sensations of Homeopathy,
do are need them? Are you saying that the method cannot be learned from the
books? I like books better than seminars. Can't afford the travel or the cost of
seminars yet. Just looking at the website, it looked like an elaboration of Rajan
Sankaran's Sensations of Homeopathy which looks to me like a deepening and
clarification of classical homeopathy. It is something that you work out over years
of tinkering and thought. Not a cookie cutter method.

Hi all,
Just to inform you that Dr. Yogesh Sehgal and Dr. Sanjay Sehgal sons of late
Dr. Sehgal will be in Toronto to present their papers in the INTERNATIONAL
HOMEOPATHIC CONFERENCE - TORONTO which is going to be held in Centenniel
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Sincerely,

DR.B.P.SHARMA, DHMS.(DELHI)P.G.(RT)D.Acu(Can.) Homeopathic Physician and
Prof. of Homeopathy at CCHH.
Organising Secretary, International Homeopathic Conference-2005

Dear Barb,
I would never just follow this approach if I didn't have to. I would rep the physicals and look for every clue I could. But, I might look back and say, those Mentals were the clues. I could have left out a lot of this busy work and I still would have gotten there if I followed up on those Mentals. I have not done this mentals only except in an autistic case where I had only mentals and behavior. There are remedies like Carc and even Med where you might only have mentals. Nothing else worked and you try one of those sparely proved remedies. It works. You look over what you know and fill out more clinical insight into the remedy picture. Pretty soon you are working with those remedies mainly based on mentals. You really study stuff like Mangialovori's extremely detailed cases and you start building a more clinical picture of remedies that you have not yet used. One day the picture walks in.
The Indians have the advantage of a case every 15 minutes. That's reality. Also, the case will coming back every week and they can build the picture with another 15 minutes of detail. Keep going over several months and you have a long interview which the the homeopath had some time to digest, if it was of any interest.
We work with one hour every month or every few months, fewer patients in total, few colleagues working closely together (Minutus is a center for colleagues but a little distant compared to father and sons working together as they live together). I figure we have to get our inspiration and information where we can get it. Try to fill in the mental intuition picture by doing bang up follow-ups that go deeper and deeper. Try some creativity with the rubrics even as we do common place usage as well. It is a slow and steady effort not a flash of lightening or a certain kind of mind. If you believe it is possible, you do it.

Blessings,
Ellen

d_barbara_hamilton wrote:

Hi --- I'm still pondering over this case from Dr. Seghal's website ....

..........

One the above mental state rubrics chosen were:

Careful
Anxiety, others, for
Frivolous

THE MEDICINE chosen was: Baryta Carb 30, 3 doses after 15 minutes interval.
.........
But what about the ear stuff? Is it completely ignored, or does he use it, [eg. Ear
pain, general with 428 rubrics], or does he look at the sensation, sides, and the
modalities, listed below for Bar-c, or is it completely ignored ???

In this method you only use the mental symptoms to reach the mental state of the person. For this you only use the present, predominating and persistent (PPP) mental symptoms. They don't bother about the physicals, generals, constitutin, miasms, etc. Only PPP mental symptoms.
As I said, it is very difficult and misleading if you want to practice this method by only reading some books superficially without having any training. You will simply get no results if you do it like that.
Best wishes,

Feras
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--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Feras Hakkak wrote:
I wrote:
Ear
the
(PPP) mental symptoms. They don't bother about the physicals, generals,
constitutin, miasms, etc. Only PPP mental symptoms.
only reading some books superficially without having any training. You will simply
get no results if you do it like that.

Hi - I know what you mean about further 'training' -- as at the lecture, I 'got it',
understood 'in that moment' and that it had great potential, but then, I'm like that
in the company of intuitivies or psychics also and become more tuned in myself.
Therefore I know then that outside of the immediate vicinity of someone else
practising by this method, I would not be able to hold onto this way of doing
things, as the risk of not using the px's presenting complaint is too great. It does
not feel comfortable that my judgement of the character of any individual is
predominately what I am working with - the PPP as you describe.

I'm happy with snapshot prescribing, and I can see its potential strength in this
however. For example, where I work, an Indian lady had sustained an injury to her
foot - it was difficult to ascertain what precisely because she didn't speak much
English and I had to use an interpreter - and she could not put her foot to the floor
as it was too uncomfortable. I asked her about recent emotional events, and she
related through the interpreter that she had felt very disrespected by her spouse
lately and she had been having strong stomach cramps which made her bend
double.

Now I could have used the Sehgal method and prescribed Colocynth straightaway
maybe, but the lady came for her foot - for which I gave Ruta - and is what she
wanted treated, no matter whether I could see that the injury to her right foot was
possibly connected with her feelings about that relationship in that moment. That
would just be my assumption. I would find it hard to ignore any physicals -even
less restrictive ones - or ignore what the px wants help with: who am I to decide
their sense of injustice or indignation is more important than her foot ? I just can't
disrespect her as well, like her husband ! [FWIW I did send her away with some
Coloc 200cs also --- just in case her stomach cramps returned. ]

I think confidence plays a huge role in this, and I think I don't have that in spades
when it comes to trusting my judgement on which rubrics to select as
characteristic --- with all the cross-references too. I know they work with a
small'ish number of rubrics, so maybe the one I should look at for me is another of
Seghal's favourities -

MIND; SHRIEKING, screaming, shouting; general; help, for (K18, K27, K80,
SRI-209, SRI-302, SRI-912, G15, G22, G64) (21) !

Seriously, I'm going to investigate it on myself first (with the help of a colleague),
not my patients, as this feels a fairer way to explore: rather like doing a proving.

regards, Barbara

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