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At 2:03 PM -0700 10/25/03, Nanga Pir wrote:

The word "homeopathy" was coined by Hahnemann. It describes the
methodology of giving a substance based upon the similarity of the
proving of that substance to the symptoms of the patient.
THAT is what homeopathy is.
The remedies that are generally used have been "dynamized" or "potentized."
Along the way, any remedy that has been processed in this manner is
called "homeopathic."
As Ardavan pointed out, this is an error. A remedy can ONLY be
"homeopathic" to a case.

Giving a "dynamized" Pulsatilla to a case which needs Sulphur is NOT
giving a homeopathic remedy-- no matter how highly it is dynamized.

Giving a "dynamized" Pulsatilla to a case which needs Pulsatilla IS
giving a homeopathic remedy.

The remedy becomes homeopathic NOT by its manufacture but by its mode
of application.

"Dynamized" remedies are not, by themselves "homeopathic."

If we forget this definition, then white becomes black, and we have
no principles to work with. We forget the law of similars and start
working hit and miss as allopaths do.

Please respect and understand the use of the term "homeopathic." It
is VERY specific.

JW

Dear Nanga,

'Homeopathic' treatment can be done by any agent,
event, crude material, music,... which induces a
similar dynamic derangement on body. This agent may
not be only dynamized remedies.

On the other hand, dynamized remedies can be used in
any method of treatment; homeopathy, allopathy,
antipathy,....

Kind regards,

Ardavan Shahrdar

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Actually, a prescription can be homeopathic without involve a potentized
remedy! Potentization brings added strength and dimished risk of
side-effects, but isn't strictly necessary in itself.

Shannon
on 10/25/03 4:03 PM, Nanga Pir at nangapir@yahoo.com wrote:

I think these are ontological phrases otherwise practically homeopathy has its own pharmacopia and remedies are specifically prepared to treat cases in its own domain. For literary discussion it is OK. We have same drugs in allopathy, herbology, vedic and homeopathy. Why will not I use allopathic opium instead of homeopathic opium? And do all homeopathic remedies are always similar? Are not there clinical symptoms? If I have a cut with a knife on my finger and want a 'homeopathic treatment' with small blade to dig it little down to produce homeo effect will it not make blade the part of homeopractic (just an example). Without specifically prepared homeopathic remedies you can not stir up the homeopathic reaction, it is suppressive though in opposite direction. A remedy may be prescribed wrongly called homeo it does not undo the definition however it is an error. I respect your opinion but keep my own. And I have a bottle of cal crb from Standard and another Aconite from Dolisos and
all of them say Homeopathic. Should not these be called Nothing on top and cal carb?
Nanga
Ardavan Shahrdar wrote:
Dear Nanga,

'Homeopathic' treatment can be done by any agent,
event, crude material, music,... which induces a
similar dynamic derangement on body. This agent may
not be only dynamized remedies.

On the other hand, dynamized remedies can be used in
any method of treatment; homeopathy, allopathy,
antipathy,....

Kind regards,

Ardavan Shahrdar

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say:
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Dear Nanga,

I admit that potentized remedies are our best tools
for homeopathic prescription but for homeopathic
effect we do not necessarily need potentized remedies.
Hahnemann, at first, did not use dynamized remedies
for homeopathic prescriptions. It was years after
introducing the principles of homeopathy that he
started potentizing the remedies (an alchemic
technic!!) to purify the effect and minimize the
strong aggravating effects of crude remedies.

So I cannot agree with you when you say 'Without
specifically prepared homeopathic remedies you can not
stir up the homeopathic reaction ...'

Kind regards,

Ardavan Shahrdar
--- Nanga Pir wrote: > I think
these are ontological phrases otherwise
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on 10/26/03 1:07 PM, Nanga Pir at nangapir@yahoo.com wrote:

top and calc carb?

Well, a homeopathic remedy can be used in a way which is homeopathic, or
not. If I use a hammer as a writing-desk (small, but flat!), does that mean
it isn't a hammer?

Also, remember the places in Oranon where H talks about using heat to
homeopathically treat a burn? He did indeed consider it "homeopathic", but
was certainly not a potentized remedy. Hahnemann did not consider that
potentized remedies were a *necessary* part of healing homeopathically --
only that that form is the easiest to manufacture, study, reproduce,
quantify, etc.

Somewhere I read a very nice case in which severe heart trouble had been
treated by several homepaths with this or that rememdy (sorry, wish I could
remember the details!), and the writer (some famous old homeopath guy)
re-took the case and saw that it simply *screamed* "digitalis", noted that
digitalis in potency had already been given (high, I believe), and gave it
again in material dose (the allopath's substance, but in a homeopathically
tiny dose), whereupon it cured quickly and smoothly. This write-up included
specific comment to the observation that homeopathicity does not necessarily
require potentized substance. Anyone remember the case, who wrote it???

Shannon

At 11:07 AM -0800 10/26/03, Nanga Pir wrote:

The "homeopathic-ness" is in the GIVING. It is a world of two pieces.
One is the pharmacies who have to (according to Federal Law) label
the bottlers in a certain way, the other is the people who practice
homeopathy.
If we don't keep the idea that homeopathy exists ONLY in the
similarity of the drug to the illness, then we forget what we are
doing.
The government doesn't care about this subtlety. Most people don't
care about it either. That's why *education* is important-- to teach
people what homeopathy is and is not.

I've met people who say "homeopathy does not work" and their proof is
in the fact that they used a "homeopathic" remedy (often a combo)
from a health store and it did not help. How do you explain to them
that the reason it did not help was because *it was not homeopathic
to their case*?

A young child with a cough tried "homeopathic cough" and still the
cough persisted. There were six remedies in the combo. All good
"cough" remedies. But the remedy the child needed was RUMEX-- and it
wasn't in the combo. ONE dose of Rumex 6X stopped the cough.
So much for homeopathy not working.

As homeopaths, we have an obligation to not belive what the
government mandates to be on the bottle, and to educate our patients
as to the principle of similarity. Until we do that, a bottle of
"homeopathic" stuff is nothing but another drug on the market.

JW

At 1:43 PM -0600 10/26/03, Bob&Shannon wrote:

1st. Please notice how I removed 10K of extraneous material before replying.

2nd. Look in Close's "the Genius of Homeopathy."
He tells of giving Digitalis to a heart patient. He tried lower and
lower potencies until the patient left, went to an allopath, and got
digitalis crude which cured. Page 197. "Such a case occurred in the
practice of the writer...."

The Close book, I believe, is a far better book about homeopathic
philosophy than that of Kent. While Kent reads into Hahnemann through
his Swedenborgian filters, Stuart Close keeps his work close to the
Hahnemannian line. You read, understand, and practice as he suggests,
and you can't go wrong.

JW

You can stir up the the reaction even with matching mechanical frequencies. That is how impedance match takes place for maximum energy transfer in electronics and you can score of examples in basic sciences. The point is 'it is homeo effect'. For homeopathy you need specifically made remedies for curative purposes. These are two different things we are arguing. Homeo effect can be achieved though they may not be curative, they may be palliative especially in chronic diseases. So please do not take me wrong. Effects can take place but for Pathy you need remedies.
Nanga

Ardavan Shahrdar wrote:
Dear Nanga,

I admit that potentized remedies are our best tools
for homeopathic prescription but for homeopathic
effect we do not necessarily need potentized remedies.

Hahnemann, at first, did not use dynamized remedies
for homeopathic prescriptions. It was years after
introducing the principles of homeopathy that he
started potentizing the remedies (an alchemic
technic!!) to purify the effect and minimize the
strong aggravating effects of crude remedies.

So I cannot agree with you when you say 'Without
specifically prepared homeopathic remedies you can not
stir up the homeopathic reaction ...'

Kind regards,

Ardavan Shahrdar
--- Nanga Pir wrote: > I think
these are ontological phrases otherwise
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I know homeopathy didnot work for one homeopath himself and he had surgery. Might be some urinary problem. Homeopathy works but not for all.
Nanga

Julian Winston wrote:
At 11:07 AM -0800 10/26/03, Nanga Pir wrote:

The "homeopathic-ness" is in the GIVING. It is a world of two pieces.
One is the pharmacies who have to (according to Federal Law) label
the bottlers in a certain way, the other is the people who practice
homeopathy.
If we don't keep the idea that homeopathy exists ONLY in the
similarity of the drug to the illness, then we forget what we are
doing.
The government doesn't care about this subtlety. Most people don't
care about it either. That's why *education* is important-- to teach
people what homeopathy is and is not.

I've met people who say "homeopathy does not work" and their proof is
in the fact that they used a "homeopathic" remedy (often a combo)
from a health store and it did not help. How do you explain to them
that the reason it did not help was because *it was not homeopathic
to their case*?

A young child with a cough tried "homeopathic cough" and still the
cough persisted. There were six remedies in the combo. All good
"cough" remedies. But the remedy the child needed was RUMEX-- and it
wasn't in the combo. ONE dose of Rumex 6X stopped the cough.
So much for homeopathy not working.

As homeopaths, we have an obligation to not belive what the
government mandates to be on the bottle, and to educate our patients
as to the principle of similarity. Until we do that, a bottle of
"homeopathic" stuff is nothing but another drug on the market.

JW

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