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Re: was: On CNN tonight- now: what to call it?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:10 pm
by robin9168
Sure we try and individualise and 99% of the time give one
remedy. Never say never however. Who would object to
alternating hypericum and arnica in a critical acute case of head
injury with whiplash and spinal injury at the site of a car crash.
To say this is not homeopathy is somewhat arrogant. I think
you'd find hundreds of French homeopaths would also be
amused at being told that what they do is not homeopathy. Its not
what I do but I dont feel I have the right to tell them its not
homeopathy. But then what do I know, yesterday I was called a
'so-called homeopath' on here ;o)
Re: was: On CNN tonight- now: what to call it?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:54 pm
by Jennifer Ruby
Simon,
I was thinking about this subject, and remembered that in "Best of Burnett,
MD" he wrote about being criticized about using more than one remedy, and he
gave his answer in this illustration about leaning a ladder against a
building to try and reach the top. He asked "when you reach the top, can
you say what one specific rung got you there?"
Even though Oregano oil, and soaking in Epsom Salts and a infrared heat lamp
were used, I see that Dr. Eli Jones used remedies and herbs together many
times along with minerals. Chapter 8 of Dr. Jones book called Cancer is a
chapter on The Medicated Bath which recommends Epsom Salts.
The entire book is downloadable at:
http://www.planetherbs.com/rarebooks/cancer/home.html on Michael Tierra's
Rare Books Page.
Dr. Eli Jones' CURE rate on his Homeopathic Cancer cases was 95% - without
surgery.
Not to be argumentative, but I'd have to say that not many would say that
neither of these great men were not practicing Homeopathy.
Health, Hope, Joy & Healing :
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Jennifer Ruby
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Re: was: On CNN tonight- now: what to call it?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:00 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
For substance to be able to bring about symptoms in the health similar to
the sick it does NOT have to be potentised.
Else Hn would not have found China!
There is only one corner stone - SYMPTOM SIMILARITY
Rgds
Re: was: On CNN tonight- now: what to call it?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:18 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
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Re: was: On CNN tonight- now: what to call it?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:02 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Jennifer,
But unless I'm quite mistaken, Burnett was using only one remed *at a
time*. I think no homeopath could object to changing the remedy when
the needs of the case change, but the issue is whether it's okay to
give them *at the same time*. (And there's been lots of interesting
discussion on this point!)
Shannon
Re: was: On CNN tonight- now: what to call it?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:35 pm
by Liz Hennel
I think this would have been called Doctrine of Signatures at that time - Hahnemann developed homeopathy AFTER this - it was taken from a manuscript which reported the HERBAL use of this remedy by indiginous peoples in Sth America.
Finrod wrote:For substance to be able to bring about symptoms in the health similar to
the sick it does NOT have to be potentised.
Else Hn would not have found China!
There is only one corner stone - SYMPTOM SIMILARITY
Rgds
Re: was: On CNN tonight- now: what to call it?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:04 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Doctrine of Signatures is something different. That refers to e.g.
guessing that a plant may be good for liver problems because it has
liver-shaped leaves; or good for bleeding disorders because of a bright
red part to the plant, things like that. There are quite a few
examples where it works out, but perhaps best to use those
correspondences as mnemonic devices (i.e. to help us *remember* uses of
the plant/remedy) rather than relying on it for prediction.
Shannon
Re: was: On CNN tonight- now: what to call it?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:29 pm
by Simon King LCPH MARH
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Hi Jennifer,
I think it is important to discuss whether these men were practicing
homeopathy or not, or whether homeopathy can only be within that those
recently delineated by Joy and others.
The question really is raised "who defines homeopathy"
I am interested in the answer
Simon
Re: was: On CNN tonight- now: what to call it?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:32 pm
by Simon King LCPH MARH
I was having a picnic with a friend recently and we could only take
one bite from the spring onions, they were just too hot for us to eat.
It instantly cured his hay fever for the day.
We must be careful as homeopaths not to confuse the PRINCIPAL with the
DOSAGE
Simon
Re: was: On CNN tonight- now: what to call it?
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:59 am
by Shannon Nelson
Me too!!!
My opinion: I have great interesting in and curiosity about the wide
variety of approaches, but I do feel there should be some consideration
given the meaning that was assigned by the person who coined the term,
Mr. H himself. He left much to the judgment of the practitioner, but
he was completely adamant about what homeopathy "is", and "one remedy
at a time" was stated clearly, repeatedly, and emphatically. To say
the least...
I've already said that in dire emergency I (speaking only for myself)
am willing to entertaining giving two--lordy, perhaps even
more!--remedies at once--*if* I thought the situation warranted it.
And I have no trouble at all with being told that is "not
homeopathy"--I agree! I also use or recommend a variety of other
sorts of modalities when I feel it is appropriate, and have no trouble
with the realization that *those* aren't homeopathy either.
A lot of the "marginal" approaches (combination remedies and various
other uses of potentized substances) could maybe be lumped together
under a term such as "homeotherapeutics"--is that one already taken?
And "classical homeopathy" is a useful--tho somewhat imprecise--term to
further specify just what is meant.
Simon, what's your opinion?
Shannon
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