Minutus

Well put Chris and for what its worth i agree with you.

some answers that i read on this subject the last
days lean a bit to much to some kind of power from a healer and that is
never the way to
go/

Marleen

But do you think that brushing him off with a self-help book was an
appropriate solution? Knowing nothing of the patient or his problems
or situation, or the homeopath and his/hers, we don't have much basis
for judgment, but it sounded pretty lame to me... But, maybe if we
knew more, it would sound different.
Shannon

Yay, Liz!!! You've said exactly what I would have said, were my brain
cells less comatose. To me too it sounded like the homeopath
just blew a fuse, which surely is more about "pushed buttons" (e.g.
core issues) rather than actually about the case itself.
Shannon

On the issue of "homeo gurus ?" Therapy with homoeopathy has to help
mirror the psycho dynamic processing of the Constitutional state.To help
someone understand their Constitutional picture is like opening up the world
of acceptence, understanding, and self knowledge. It can work well together.
BUT I have to disagree slightly with you. In my experience the homoeopathic
remedy doesn't just make the patient strong enough to deal with the core
issues covered in psychotherapy = the homoeopathic remedy heals the
emotional dis - ease as well.
All of my work is centered around getting people to understand the emotional
patterning of their Constitutional remedy picture, hence why I wrote the
book on relationships and homoeopathy BUT it is the homoeopathic remedy that
heals. NOT the "homeopschotherapy!" Liz Lalor

Spot on with your analysis of 224 Shannon!

My reading of this case is that it appears that the core issues have not
been tackled by the homoeopath at a deep enough level else they would not
come back so regularly.

Let us take a serious grief situation. In the healthy, although the person
would perhaps feel sad from time to time, eventually the cause of the grief
would be forgotten. However, where the grief has caused Dis-Ease, the issue
remains fresh and festering like an ulcer. Like the lady who hated ironing,
when asked why, she said every time I Iron all the nasty events come back
like a film at the cinema.

There may be maintaining causes etc, but nonetheless, I think this situation
needs to be re-evaluated afresh and the remarks by the homoeopath were
perhaps inappropriate. May be it was a ploy to get the patient to seek an
alternative practitioner, but I think it could have been managed better.

It is always easier when it is someone else's case!

Rgds
Soroush

Thanks Liz for clarifying-
I have used homeopathy for serious psychiatric problems myself and so
am aware of its potential there. What I meant to say was not all
problems can be taken care of by homeopathy and there might be need
for psychotherapy and even there - homeopathy can be an adjuvant and
bolster the patient enough so that psychotherapy could be faster. I
trained as a psychiatrist and am trained in Family therapy as well. I
have successes in many emotional problems using homeopathy but also
lots of failures - perhaps I should not say failures - but there have
been instances where some other therapy proved efficacious and
quicker to act than homeopathy. I have used Cognitive Behavioral or
Hypnotherapy techniques for many problems where I had hard time
making headway with homeopathy; this happened where many of the other
symptoms disappeared with homeopathy.
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Can you generalize a bit about what types of situations this might
apply to--what sorts of problems, or what sorts of patients, where one
of these other methods might be needed? I very much understand that
"the remedy" cannot do every job that ever needs to be done! But I'm
not sure I'll necessarily recognize which is which.

I'm guessing that if the patient's difficulty seems to be at the level
of understanding rather than perception, then a mental approach might
be needed rather than a remedy? Or is that too simplistic...
Shannon

In general-
I have had good results with Depression ( both homeopathy and
therapy) and early schizophrenics ( with homeopathy). Mild paranoid
tendencies responded well to homeopathy. Chronic schizophrenia with
positive and negative symptoms respond poorly ( of course they
respond poorly to therapies or out right are not good candidates for
therapy). I have not had much success with neurotic conditions esp.
Obsessive Compulsives ( esp. with homeopathy). It is where we have
people who have become adjusted to their problems and made life
changes according to the problems that I have had most trouble with
homeopathy. For example irritable bowel syndrome, various phobias
where the patient has made changes to the daily habits in accordance
with their problems where I have seen that eventhough Homeopathy
helped in a way, it could not totally make the patient change their
abnormal and adjusted ( compensated?) behavior. This is what needed
therapy.
Once again if you look at it this is just based on my practice, I
cannot generalize as you said because individual cases might vary and
based on individual practitioners experience and approach. Mostly we
cannot approach any case with a belief that this is a case that would
be amenable to homeopathy or not. Homeopathy has surprised me in
terms of what it can achieve and lots of times it is my drawbacks in
case taking and approach to the case that had been the culprit than
Homeopathy.
Having said that I also believe sometimes it is the patient as well.
There are times when the practitioner becomes a convenient resting
place for the patient and continuing to treat a patient might
increase the dependency. I am not saying that this is common or all
practitioners should abandon the patients. yes - like most of you
have suggested there is a need probably to retake the case and work
with the case from a new perspective. At the same time there are
cases where I have felt overwhelmed by the repetition of symptoms
when the best selected remedies do not seem to hold. I generally
suspect there are other things going on. Some of these can be helped
with homeopathy somethings cannot be.
Once I had a couple who came to me for the husband's psoriasis. The
psoriasis had typical aggravation whenever they had a quarrel. I
tried different medicines based on mental symptoms and psoriasis etc.
He seemed to improve and then relapse. Meanwhile both of them
attempted suicide a couple of times separately - which looked more
like threats...
Sometime later the wife came for treatment for herself- she had
problems with excess menstrual bleeding; she was a tiger during that
time ( and that is when most of their quarrels started) ( May be I
should have given tiger's milk)... Any way I gave Chamomilla to her
and this soothed her over so much that their quarrels just stopped.
Surprise - surprise - the husband's psoriasis went away after that....
I followed him up after that for a couple of years and he seemed to
have settled. Another interesting twist is this - his father-in-law -
the girls father also has psoriasis and his wife is one of the most
nagging personalities around. It seems that this guy just took a leaf
from his father-in-law behavioral / health patterns...By the way
father-in-law still had psoriasis ( continues with a lot of herbal
salves etc) and probably that is his way of taking care of the "core
issues" in the conflict with his wife... whereas the young couple who
had attempted suicide etc. were desperate for a change ( which is
what the suicide attempts show) and resolved their conflicts in a
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Thank you for referring to 'Homeopathic Gurus'
If anyone does want to know all the answers to homeopathy and study
works from the one person who knows then please enroll on to my
Croydon course.
Why put up with all those claiming 90% cure rates when you can attain
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I suspect it all has to do with the similarity of patient/ symptoms and remedy, as I've also seen excellent results with obsessive compulsive disorder of lifelong standing and great depth.

Your comment on people who've made life changes to accommodate their conditions is really interesting. I want to reflect on that. There is a group of patients who respond very poorly to homeopathy, and their lack of response has something to do with a lack of ability to perceive the actual symptoms -- inability to be specific or to remember and form a continuum for themselves from one interview to the next, or....

Yet I have a patient currently who has given me the feeling of working amid a pea soup fog. She came for a feeling of fatigue and heaviness, with no details or specifics. I observed that she was really confused, unable to complete sentences or remember anything specific about her symptoms. She had a couple of relatively minor neurological symptoms physically. There were a couple of particulars -- like being really intensely and specifically annoyed about a friend she thought talked too much about herself, and a lengthy list of vaccinations throughout adulthood -- that made me think Zinc. Each time I've seen her, however, her mind has been clearer -- the remedy is definitely working very deeply. The heaviness has lifted. But she never had any idea that she was confused or disoriented, so I've had to demonstrate to her as she recovers much of what the remedy actually has accomplished. The neuroma in her foot and the slight tremor in her hand that she complained about initially have remained unchanged, not surprisingly, and she has no inherent awareness that the remedy has done anything, because she has focused on these peripheral symptoms. She is finally beginning to believe my comparisons of her initial conversations and now (5 months later).

In any case, her remedy response demonstrates that a lack of ability to perceive symptoms isn't the thing that makes people unresponsive...

So I'm definitely interested in your hypothesis about making accommodations.

Rosemary